Intentional Foul by the Shooter

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Also, if I am not mistaken, there was a play in a college game last season where a 3-point shooter, after releasing the ball and while still in the air, grabbed his defender and threw him down. The shooter was called for a foul. It wasn't deemed an intentional foul, but it could have because it was a non-basketball play. I am thinking this happened in a Marquette or Georgetown game and was perhaps reviewed on this site.

This would be the play you're talking about (I posted it last season):

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

This would be the play you're talking about (I posted it last season):

Yes, that is the play. The contact by the shooter isn't as severe as I thought I remembered, but even with early onset dementia, I still got the teams right.

[JRutledge]

And I do not consider any of that action as an "intentional foul" as I stated earlier. All I am saying is I do not imagine a shooter committing and Intentional foul. If people want to get into all the "what ifs" that is fine, I just think it is a practice in futility most of the time. I think it is better to stick with real world situations, rather then things that are not likely to be called or seen.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I do not consider any of that action as an "intentional foul" as I stated earlier. All I am saying is I do not imagine a shooter committing and Intentional foul. If people want to get into all the "what ifs" that is fine, I just think it is a practice in futility most of the time. I think it is better to stick with real world situations, rather then things that are not likely to be called or seen.

Peace

SniperBBB has a real world situation. Shooter "lines his defender up in his sight", gathers the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs over the defender. I don't know if this is likely but I have seen it many times.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

SniperBBB has a real world situation. Shooter "lines his defender up in his sight", gathers the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs over the defender. I don't know if this is likely but I have seen it many times.

And how many times have you called this an intentional or flagrant foul?

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Rut,

I've never called flagrant on this play. But, I have called it intentional after having "missed" it many other times. The play I'm discussing has led to some escalating contact when I just called a normal PC foul. Because of those experiences, I was/am determined to not let this type play continue. I don't even know if "excessive" contact applies to a shooter??? But, this play is rough AND it has intent. I don't see it any differently than the hard contact made ON the shooter.

My point is -it doesn't happen often (not likely as you put it) but it surely fits in your "seen it" category.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Rut,

I've never called flagrant on this play. But, I have called it intentional after having "missed" it many other times. The play I'm discussing has led to some escalating contact when I just called a normal PC foul. Because of those experiences, I was/am determined to not let this type play continue. I don't even know if "excessive" contact applies to a shooter??? But, this play is rough AND it has intent. I don't see it any differently than the hard contact made ON the shooter.

My point is -it doesn't happen often (not likely as you put it) but it surely fits in your "seen it" category.

So a player that is dribbling hard to the basket and they happened to lower their shoulder and run over a player in a LGP, you have called an intentional foul? OK. How did that work out for you?

And my comment again was about the shooter, not anyone else doing any other type of action.

Peace

[BigT]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Rut,

I've never called flagrant on this play. But, I have called it intentional after having "missed" it many other times. The play I'm discussing has led to some escalating contact when I just called a normal PC foul. Because of those experiences, I was/am determined to not let this type play continue. I don't even know if "excessive" contact applies to a shooter??? But, this play is rough AND it has intent. I don't see it any differently than the hard contact made ON the shooter.

My point is -it doesn't happen often (not likely as you put it) but it surely fits in your "seen it" category.

Can you give us some examples and what you would call now based on the above quote please?

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Shooter "lines his defender up in his sight", gathers the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs over the defender. I don't know if this is likely but I have seen it many times.

This could be intentional, but it just sounds like a really-easy-to-call PC foul.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by AremRed

This could be intentional, but it just sounds like a really-easy-to-call PC foul.

Aremred,

If you say "could" then I feel good with this play that I'm trying to describe. As Rut is saying - not likely - but as SniperBBB states - "seen it".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not imagine a shooter committing and intentional foul.

How about a "stiff arm" to the face, like in football?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about a "stiff arm" to the face, like in football?

Someone could die in the locker room and we would have to penalize the team for not being on the court and ready to play too, but I have never heard anyone suggest that should be the case and T up a team for such action.

And yes that was a serious question for a football class a few years ago.

Peace

[APG]

When was the last time you saw a shooter try and stiff arm a defender like a football player? The closest would be a wipe off by the shooter, but I've never see that come close to the level of an intentional foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

When was the last time you saw a shooter try and stiff arm a defender like a football player? The closest would be a wipe off by the shooter, but I've never see that come close to the level of an intentional foul.

Maybe, but Camron made a good point with regard to the newly stiff penalties associated with elbow contact. This scenario is suddenly more likely than it was 4 years ago.

No, I still haven't seen it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

When was the last time you saw a shooter try and stiff arm a defender like a football player? The closest would be a wipe off by the shooter, but I've never see that come close to the level of an intentional foul.

Never. JRutledge said that he couldn't imagine, so I'm using my imagination, and I'm trying to imagine.