Elbow Swing

[Adam]

Four different levels of elbow contact.
1. Incidental, no foul. (B1 hits A1's geographically stationary elbow with his head).
2. Common foul. (A1 steps into his throw or pivot, hitting B1 in the head. No movement of the elbows beyond what the body is doing).
3. Intentional foul. (Elbows flying, or player chinning up and pivoting in a way that puts other players at risk. I consider this foul when it's an action that could have warranted an elbow violation call).
4. Flagrant. (intentional or reckless elbows).

Deciding which is typically judgment. The NFHS wanted to find a way to codify the judgment, but only managed to increase confusion and widen the area of interpretation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I know this was printed in the points of emphasis section, but is it repeated in the actual rules anywhere? I've looked without success in locating it.

Originally Posted by Adam

The NFHS wanted to find a way to codify the judgment, but only managed to increase confusion and widen the area of interpretation.

... and they certainly did a great job of confusing officials, and a great job of widening the area of interpretation. It's a double win for the NFHS.

And, as in the backcourt/throwin/team control exception, how will rookies learn these swinging elbow fouls, of various degrees, once the Point of Emphasis disappears into the mist?

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Adam

Four different levels of elbow contact.
1. Incidental, no foul. (B1 hits A1's geographically stationary elbow with his head).
2. Common foul. (A1 steps into his throw or pivot, hitting B1 in the head. No movement of the elbows beyond what the body is doing).
3. Intentional foul. (Elbows flying, or player chinning up and pivoting in a way that puts other players at risk. I consider this foul when it's an action that could have warranted an elbow violation call).
4. Flagrant. (intentional or reckless elbows).

Deciding which is typically judgment. The NFHS wanted to find a way to codify the judgment, but only managed to increase confusion and widen the area of interpretation.

What is the difference in the pivot in #2 and #3? Is it #3 is excessive movement with the elbows moving faster than body but not directly seeking out to make contact?

[egj13]

While part of me can't believe we are still discussing this the other part of me is curious how my new pool will call it compared to my last pool. Find out tomorrow night!