Questioning Partner's Call

[Afrosheen]

Originally Posted by Adam

My assumption is based on experience. Our response as partners can lead to a lot of trouble. If a caoch is already on edge about a call, and you start walking towards the calling official, he's going to assume you saw it his way and try to encourgage you to overturn the call or "talk to" your partner.

Talking to my partner should not mean that he suddenly loses credibility from it though. He's a human being first and he and me and everyone here will inevitably make mistakes. And I said before, I hope I have a strong enough partner who will be willing to catch my mistakes as I personally do not want a mistake of mine leave an adverse impact on the game.

Originally Posted by Adam

I have to say, from what I've read, you seem to have been pretty focussed on the division line when you were at the lead position. I just can't imagine even looking up there on that play unless I didn't trust my partner at all.

Why are you so concerned with this play anyways? Regardless of what happened, if it's a controversial call that may have been due to a kicked rule, that doubt should be addressed. That is my opinion, though if you have a differing opinion, I'll be willing to hear it, I just won't necessarily agree with it though.

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't recall the play you're talking about with Izzo.

AremRed posted a video of a similar play in the last page where officials were conferring with one another which I said was similar in how the play happened in my game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

Talking to my partner should not mean that he suddenly loses credibility from it though. He's a human being first and he and me and everyone here will inevitably make mistakes. And I said before, I hope I have a strong enough partner who will be willing to catch my mistakes as I personally do not want a mistake of mine leave an adverse impact on the game.

Maybe it shouldn't, but it tends to; especially with AAU coaches. Everyone knows we make mistakes, that's not in dispute; nor is it relevant.

I hope to have a strong enough partner that I can focus on my area without worrying about his. Honestly, I would have never even seen the play in your OP. Not from the end line. If I'm at the point where I don't trust him on BC violations from the lead position, I'm probably just trying to prevent a brawl.

And honestly, it's not the "talking" that decreases your partner's credibility. It's your body language that makes it exceedingly clear to the coach that you disagreed with the call.

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

Why are you so concerned with this play anyways? Regardless of what happened, if it's a controversial call that may have been due to a kicked rule, that doubt should be addressed. That is my opinion, though if you have a differing opinion, I'll be willing to hear it, I just won't necessarily agree with it though.

Because the details of the play matter when it comes to how or whether I would have approached my partner. Like I've said, there are times I have approached a partner to discuss a BC call (once in my very first varsity game), but none of them involved a play that took place entirely in my partner's PCA (this isn't even the lead's secondary area) within such close proximity to the division line.

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

AremRed posted a video of a similar play in the last page where officials were conferring with one another which I said was similar in how the play happened in my game.

Ah, I recall the play now. I'll say this; I would never do this. There are a couple of major differences, IMO.

1. The way NCAA officials respond to Izzo is vastly different than the way I would recommend officials respond to AAU coaches.
2. The official who approached his partner seems to have simply asked for an explanation of the call and offered the correct rule.
3. The questioning official has built up a lifetime of situations from which he can draw to know both how to approach his partner and how to deal with the coach afterwards.
4. Don't think the calling official's credibility wasn't damaged by this sequence. Now, whether it was worth the damage is up for debate, and is likely contingent on a number of factors. Personally, I think the ramifications of that damage would be much more significant in an AAU setting than in a college setting where proscribed recourse is already in place to maintain control and bench decorum.
5. That damage is mitigated largely by the fact that he's working this level to begin with. AAU officials don't have that built in cushion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I hope to have a strong enough partner that I can focus on my area without worrying about his. Honestly, I would have never even seen the play in your OP. Not from the end line.

...but none of them involved a play that took place entirely in my partner's PCA (this isn't even the lead's secondary area) within such close proximity to the division line.

Perhaps I've made a bad assumption on this play but I was commenting on this play assuming the throwin was administered by the OP from one of his lines and it was 100% his responsibility to watch the ball on the throwin so he could chop in the time. That would mean that he would have to be looking right at the play.

If that is not the case, then I do agree he really shouldn't be looking that far out of his primary and, if he was really doing his job, he would have never seen the play to even have an opinion on the play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps I've made a bad assumption on this play but I was commenting on this play assuming the throwin was administered by the OP from one of his lines and it was 100% his responsibility to watch the ball on the throwin so he could chop in the time. ....

I able to do that without looking to see where the receivers feet are, and without staring directly at him.