pivot after jump stop

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

Since the statement says while moving OR dribbling, and doesn't use the word continuous motion, how do we determine if the player is allowed to jump stop or not?

It says "catches" while moving or dribbling. In your play, s/he caught the ball while dribbling. Let him/her jump.

[potato]

so it is technically allowed as long as a person catches his ball while dribbling with one foot on the floor, stops for few seconds, do a few pump fakes, then jump on that foot & lands on both feet simultaneously? although rare & never seen before, it'd probably look pretty awkward if you imagine it.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It says "catches" while moving or dribbling. In your play, s/he caught the ball while dribbling. Let him/her jump.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

If the person hasn't established pivot & jumps & lands on 1 foot 1st, then that foot is the pivot foot, he can land his non-pivot foot.

For a person to not have established a pivot foot, s/he is either in the air (and can't jump), or has both feet on the floor (and any jump is illegal), or is on one foot (and then you can't land on 1 foot first).

One question, the rule says you can jump off your pivot foot and land on both feet simultaneously & no pivot foot allowed, so if instead of landing on both feet, the player landed on 1 of his feet, i would assume it's a travel if he landed on his pivot foot, and no travel if he landed on his non-pivot foot?

The rule does NOT say you can jump off your pivot foot and land on both feet. You can jump if the one foot is not yet the pivot foot, but you must either land with both feet simultaneously (neither foot can be the pivot) or land on the other foot alone (which makes the first foot the pivot foot). This is nothing different from the steps in a lay-up. If the (now-determined) pivot foot touches the floor, it's travelling.

Originally Posted by potato

so it is technically allowed as long as a person catches his ball while dribbling with one foot on the floor, stops for few seconds, do a few pump fakes, then jump on that foot & lands on both feet simultaneously? although rare & never seen before, it'd probably look pretty awkward if you imagine it.

Awkward <> illegal.

[potato]

Now there's 2 jumpstops:

1.Catch the ball in the air after the jump & lands both feet simultaneously = pivot allowed.

2.Catch the ball with one foot on the ground & jumps off that foot & land on both feet = pivot not allowed.

so isn't the 2nd case considered pivot foot established before the jump?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For a person to not have established a pivot foot, s/he is either in the air (and can't jump), or has both feet on the floor (and any jump is illegal), or is on one foot (and then you can't land on 1 foot first).



The rule does NOT say you can jump off your pivot foot and land on both feet. You can jump if the one foot is not yet the pivot foot, but you must either land with both feet simultaneously (neither foot can be the pivot) or land on the other foot alone (which makes the first foot the pivot foot). This is nothing different from the steps in a lay-up. If the (now-determined) pivot foot touches the floor, it's travelling.




Awkward <> illegal.

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

2.Catch the ball with one foot on the ground & jumps off that foot & land on both feet = pivot not allowed.

so isn't the 2nd case considered pivot foot established before the jump?

Originally Posted by APG

No...because the player's subsequent actions will determine whether the player has a pivot foot or not. If he steps with the other foot, then the foot that was initially on the floor is the pivot foot. Conversely, if he jumps off the foot on the floor and land simultaneously on both feet, then the player will not have a pivot foot.

If you catch the ball or end the dribble with a foot on the floor, you can't determine if that foot will be the pivot foot until you see what happens next.

[Sharpshooternes]

Potato, if you read the rule carefully the jump stop doesn't ever have, nor can their be a pivot foot.
A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:

b. If one foot is on the floor:

1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.

2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by potato

2.Catch the ball with one foot on the ground & jumps off that foot & land on both feet = pivot not allowed.

so isn't the 2nd case considered pivot foot established before the jump?

If there is no pivot allowed, there is no pivot foot.