pivot after jump stop

[ballgame99]

The gather and the jump are typically fairly simultaneous in my experience since this move is typically done going to the basket. So unless the gather is clearly before liftoff you almost have to allow a pivot on landing don't you? That is how I have called it anyway. And they better stick the landing with two feet (ie no gallop) or its a travel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

The gather and the jump are typically fairly simultaneous in my experience since this move is typically done going to the basket. So unless the gather is clearly before liftoff you almost have to allow a pivot on landing don't you? That is how I have called it anyway. And they better stick the landing with two feet (ie no gallop) or its a travel.

I've seen many gathers while a foot is on the ground. I try to train my eyes to pay attention to the disctinction.

[potato]

If the person hasn't established pivot & jumps & lands on 1 foot 1st, then that foot is the pivot foot, he can land his non-pivot foot.

One question, the rule says you can jump off your pivot foot and land on both feet simultaneously & no pivot foot allowed, so if instead of landing on both feet, the player landed on 1 of his feet, i would assume it's a travel if he landed on his pivot foot, and no travel if he landed on his non-pivot foot?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've seen many gathers while a foot is on the ground. I try to train my eyes to pay attention to the disctinction.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by potato

If the person hasn't established pivot & jumps & lands on 1 foot 1st, then that foot is the pivot foot, he can land his non-pivot foot.

One question, the rule says you can jump off your pivot foot and land on both feet simultaneously & no pivot foot allowed, so if instead of landing on both feet, the player landed on 1 of his feet, i would assume it's a travel if he landed on his pivot foot, and no travel if he landed on his non-pivot foot?

Watch this video, I hope this clears up some misconceptions


Potato : The rule does not say "you can jump off o pivot foot" it says if you "catch the ball while dribbling or moving with one foot on floor , you may jump off this foot and land simultaneously on two"

[potato]

if you catch the ball with one foot on the floor, doesn't it already mean you have established a pivot on that foot, thus you are jumping off the pivot foot?

Originally Posted by jump stop

Watch this video, I hope this clears up some misconceptions


Potato : The rule does not say "you can jump off o pivot foot" it says if you "catch the ball while dribbling or moving with one foot on floor , you may jump off this foot and land simultaneously on two"

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Potato : The rule does not say "you can jump off o pivot foot" it says if you "catch the ball while dribbling or moving with one foot on floor , you may jump off this foot and land simultaneously on two"

Originally Posted by potato

if you catch the ball with one foot on the floor, doesn't it already mean you have established a pivot on that foot, thus you are jumping off the pivot foot?

I think that his point was that the rule does not say you can jump off of your pivot foot but that you can jump off of the foot on the floor and land simultaneously. There actually can be no pivot foot on a true jump stop as 2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot. Not Your situation

3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case. This is the situation and there actually can not be a pivot foot The foot on the ground is just that and when you jump and land with both feet simultaneously no foot can be pivot.

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

if you catch the ball with one foot on the floor, doesn't it already mean you have established a pivot on that foot, thus you are jumping off the pivot foot?

No...because the player's subsequent actions will determine whether the player has a pivot foot or not. If he steps with the other foot, then the foot that was initially on the floor is the pivot foot. Conversely, if he jumps off the foot on the floor and land simultaneously on both feet, then the player will not have a pivot foot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

if you catch the ball with one foot on the floor, doesn't it already mean you have established a pivot on that foot, thus you are jumping off the pivot foot?

No.


Do you own a rule book? (serious question)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No.


Do you own a rule book? (serious question)

He is not an official.

[potato]

alright i guess if you catch the ball with 1 foot already on the floor that foot is not treated as a pivot if you took another step with the other foot.

but in real life it happens so quick it's pretty much impossible to tell unless you replayed the video.

i really couldn't tell it from the 1st playbacks and only notice it on the slowmo replay.

Originally Posted by jump stop

Watch this video, I hope this clears up some misconceptions

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

The gather and the jump are typically fairly simultaneous in my experience since this move is typically done going to the basket. So unless the gather is clearly before liftoff you almost have to allow a pivot on landing don't you? That is how I have called it anyway. And they better stick the landing with two feet (ie no gallop) or its a travel.

If you're going to allow a pivot if they land on two feet simultaneously, then it isn't a travel if they "gallop" on landing -- but the pivot foot is now defined as the first foot to hit.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you're going to allow a pivot if they land on two feet simultaneously, then it isn't a travel if they "gallop" on landing -- but the pivot foot is now defined as the first foot to hit.

I knew something was wrong when he made that statement.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you're going to allow a pivot if they land on two feet simultaneously, then it isn't a travel if they "gallop" on landing -- but the pivot foot is now defined as the first foot to hit.

This is a good point and something I'll need to keep in mind. Thanks.