Leaving the court tech?

[potato]

Would you call a technical if a non ball handler player on court went out of bounds for second due to traffic or to shake off his defender & get open for a pass?

Does it matter if he has 1 foot/ both feet out of bounds?

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

Would you call a technical if a non ball handler player on court went out of bounds for second due to traffic or to shake off his defender & get open for a pass?

Does it matter if he has 1 foot/ both feet out of bounds?

During play, it's a violation rather than a technical foul.

Interestingly enough, a new rule this year in the NBA makes it violation for an offensive player to go OOB and not immediately return to the playing area. It's also illegal for a player to repeatedly go in and out of bounds. Exceptions to the rule include the thrower on a throw-in, injury, or an unusual circumstance.

[potato]

does it have to be both feet? for off ball players. is there any exception? like can the defender step out of bounds for a second to avoid traffic just to get to his guy?

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

does it have to be both feet? for off ball players. is there any exception? like can the defender step out of bounds for a second to avoid traffic just to get to his guy?

If we're talking about NFHS, then one foot would be sufficient, by rule to call a violation.

When you're dealing with violations or a player's location that relatse to the OOB boundary, a player is OOB if any part of him is touching OOB...both feet, one foot, hair, arm, etc. A player is inbounds when he's touching something completely inbounds, and nothing is touching OOB. There's nothing that deals with having to get both feet inbounds or OOB.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

If we're talking about NFHS, then one foot would be sufficient, by rule to call a violation.

When you're dealing with violations or a player's location that relatse to the OOB boundary, a player is OOB if any part of him is touching OOB...both feet, one foot, hair, arm, etc. A player is inbounds when he's touching something completely inbounds, and nothing is touching OOB. There's nothing that deals with having to get both feet inbounds or OOB.

Maybe, but I'm not even considering a violation for "leaving the court" (note, the violation is not for going "out of bounds") unless the player is clearly and completely out of bounds with nothing touching in bounds.

[just another ref]

10.3.6.C says the OP is a technical foul.

The OP was on our study guide.

Originally Posted by just another ref

10.3.6.C says the OP is a technical foul.

The OP was on our study guide.

I have read and understood the case play, but don't you think it changes when it is the 5th foul versus 2nd or 3rd? In the case play the player is leaving the court before their legal substitution opportunity. In the OP's case of a 5th foul, the player is replaced immediately anyway, so I think they are leaving during a legal substitution opportunity. Unless the interpretation is they can't sub until we inform the coach and start the timer...

What do you think JAR?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

Maybe, but I'm not even considering a violation for "leaving the court" (note, the violation is not for going "out of bounds") unless the player is clearly and completely out of bounds with nothing touching in bounds.

That would be the realistic application of the rule. My point is the rule doesn't mandate both feet be OOB.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

That would be the realistic application of the rule. My point is the rule doesn't mandate both feet be OOB.

No, but I don't think it makes it illegal to "be out of bounds." It's illegal to "leave the court for an unauthorized reason." I don't think a player has left the playing court unless no part of them is touching the playing court. IOW, I see a difference between being out of bounds and having left the playing court.

The problem is, while they very clearly define being out of bounds, "leaving the court" is not really defined. But every time it's described in a case play, it involves the player being completely out of bounds.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

does it have to be both feet? for off ball players. is there any exception? like can the defender step out of bounds for a second to avoid traffic just to get to his guy?

That's a violation on the defense.

In NCAA (at least W, but I think also M), it's a violation if the offense does so and is the first (next) to touch the ball after coming inbounds.

As a practical matter, that's often how it gets called at the FED level (and before that there's often discussion with the players and / or coach to keep the players inbounds on the baseline screens -- which is where it happens most often).

The T is for plays like running OOB, behind the bench and then re-entering at the other end of the court.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In NCAA (at least W, but I think also M), it's a violation if the offense does so and is the first (next) to touch the ball after coming inbounds.

This is a violation in NCAA-M as well. In fact, John Adams has included a few plays from last season on his start of the year video and pointed out that this needs to be seen and called.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED level ... there's often discussion with the players and / or coach to keep the players inbounds on the baseline screens -- which is where it happens most often ...

Bingo. That's where this situation happens the most. If I'm the lead, and the players are almost running into me, then I'm considering calling this violation.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Bingo. That's where this situation happens the most. If I'm the lead, and the players are almost running into me, then I'm considering calling this violation.

Just trip the kid and then tell them if they stayed on the court where they belong they would not have fallen on their face

[Coach Bill]

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Originally Posted by potato
does it have to be both feet? for off ball players. is there any exception? like can the defender step out of bounds for a second to avoid traffic just to get to his guy?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's a violation on the defense.

What's the penalty for a violation on the defense in this situation?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

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Originally Posted by potato
does it have to be both feet? for off ball players. is there any exception? like can the defender step out of bounds for a second to avoid traffic just to get to his guy?



What's the penalty for a violation on the defense in this situation?

At minimum just a violation, at maximum a TF I think.