Hypothetical: Tech before leaving court

[Raymond]

Fed rules. 4th quarter. Scored tied.

A1 shoots 3-pointer just before buzzer, B1 fouls in act right before horns sounds but officials can't determine how many 10th of seconds should be on clock so A1 shoots free throws with line cleared and no time on clock.

A1 misses 1st free throw. A1 makes 2nd free throw and officials blow whistle to terminate game. As official run past Team A's bench Team A's coach yells out "About F***ing time y'all got a call right".

What do you do?

[Nevadaref]

2.2.4 SITUATION A: The score is Team A-62 and Team B-61 when the horn sounds to end the fourth quarter. Prior to the referee's approval of the final score, the coach of Team A directs obscene gestures at the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged and the result of the free throws will determine which team wins or whether an extra period is required. (5-6-2 Exception 4; 10-4-1c)

[grunewar]

That's what the book says to do. But how many would actually do it?

[Nevadaref]

I certainly wouldn't allow some coach to curse at me as I'm leaving and not be penalized for it. Depending upon what is said, I would strongly consider a flagrant technical foul.

[sseltser]

I believe that the question isn't should you call the T. I believe that the question is does A1 get to shoot his final free throw?

I say yes although there was a game in my area where a very similar play happened and the coach got the T after the time ran out in the 4th. His team was not awarded its remaining free throws. He appealed to the section office and lost the appeal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by sseltser

I believe that the question isn't should you call the T. I believe that the question is does A1 get to shoot his final free throw?

I say yes although there was a game in my area where a very similar play happened and the coach got the T after the time ran out in the 4th. His team was not awarded its remaining free throws. He appealed to the section office and lost the appeal.

A shoots his final FT, then B shoots FTs for the T, and then we see whether OT is needed.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A shoots his final FT, then B shoots FTs for the T, and then we see whether OT is needed.

Agreed. Pretty simple answer, really.

[jer166]

A1 shoots his final free throw & B shoots the T.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

I believe that the question isn't should you call the T. I believe that the question is does A1 get to shoot his final free throw?

I say yes although there was a game in my area where a very similar play happened and the coach got the T after the time ran out in the 4th. His team was not awarded its remaining free throws. He appealed to the section office and lost the appeal.

So does the case book.

5.6.2 SITUATION H: Team A is leading 61-60. B1 fouls A1 in the act of shooting as time expires. As the officials approach the scorer's table, the Team A coach rushes the floor and begins screaming obscenities at the officials. RULING: A flagrant technical foul is assessed to the Team A coach. The foul at the expiration of time is no longer ignored. The flagrant technical foul on the Team A coach created a false double foul situation, which may affect the outcome of the game. The penalties are administered in the order in which they occurred. With the lane cleared, A1 shoots two free throws for being fouled in the act of shooting. If both are successful, the game is over. If one or both are missed, an eligible player from Team B shoots the two technical foul free throws. The free throws will determine the outcome of the game or an extra period will be played. COMMENT: Jurisdiction of the officials is terminated when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area. While the preferred action would be for all officials to immediately leave the playing area, such an observable action by the coach should be penalized as unsporting or flagrant. (10-4-1c; 4-19-9; 5-6-2 Exception 3)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by sseltser

I believe that the question isn't should you call the T. I believe that the question is does A1 get to shoot his final free throw?

I say yes although there was a game in my area where a very similar play happened and the coach got the T after the time ran out in the 4th. His team was not awarded its remaining free throws. He appealed to the section office and lost the appeal.

1. The coach was an idiot for getting the T.
2. The refs should have given his players the remaining free throws that would have otherwise been disregarded.
3. This generally isn't the type of play that appeals processes are meant to rectify. The officials may have kicked the pooch, but they have to live with it.

[IREFU2]

Remember, jurisdiction of the officials doesnt end "officially" until all officials leave the visual confines of the court. So a "t" would be in order. But I am sure some officials would ignore such a comment.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

3. This generally isn't the type of play that appeals processes are meant to rectify. The officials may have kicked the pooch, but they have to live with it.

Seems to me this is exactly the kind of play that could be appealed. It is a rule misapplication, not a judgment call.

[Adam]

My understanding is appeals are generally meant to deal with things like ineligible players; the type of situations where the resolution involves forfeit.

If this type of play is appealed successfully, both teams need to show up for a game, prepared for overtime, with the possibility that there might be only one free throw shot.

I suppose that's possible, but it would most likely lead to logistical concerns in most levels of ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2.2.4 SITUATION A: The score is Team A-62 and Team B-61 when the horn sounds to end the fourth quarter. Prior to the referee's approval of the final score, the coach of Team A directs obscene gestures at the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged and the result of the free throws will determine which team wins or whether an extra period is required. (5-6-2 Exception 4; 10-4-1c)

Nevada, my play is different in that the A1 already shot free throws before the tech. Also, in my situation A1 didn't shoot all of his allotted free throws because the 2nd of 3 freet throws had won the game.

I wanted to verify that you send A1 back to the free throw line for his 3rd free throw and then administer the technical free throws to Team B.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Seems to me this is exactly the kind of play that could be appealed. It is a rule misapplication, not a judgment call.

Most state bodies that I know of will not generally accept an appeal based on a judgement call or a misapplication of a rule. They will get involved in player eligibility, misconduct of participants, highly unusual situations, stuff like that. But maybe they do take rules protests in Mass.?