What would you do?

[Freddy]

9.2.2.c

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

9.2.2.c

9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a
throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain
inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate,
who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on
B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1
must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a
throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain
inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate,
who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on
B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1
must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

If your suggestion is not to call this a violation (not necessarily the OP) then I would disagree. This is likely obvious to someone observing they did not step out of bounds. And it prevents situations of sloppiness when the game is on the line. And for the record, the NCAA addressed this as well with video and made it clear we should call these violations anytime seen. And if you look at what happened a few years ago near the end of a game when this was not called, and the shit storm that followed, I think we should call these when they happen.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If your suggestion is not to call this a violation then I would disagree ... for the record, the NCAA addressed this as well with video and made it clear we should call these violations anytime seen.

JRutledge: I have to agree with you, it's pretty difficult to argue against a NFHS casebook play. I would call this violation on any level of high school basketball, freshman, junior varsity, or varsity.

But these are seventh graders, not NCAA players. You don't work seventh grade games. I do. Early in the season, and early the game, I would be very likely to blow my whistle and call a do-over, after instructing the players on how to correctly make the throwin. Later in the season, or later in the game, I would be very likely to call the violation, also instructing the players on how to correctly make the throwin. In all cases, I would not ignore the play.

I am also 100% certain that I would be backed by my Catholic middle school assigner. These seventh grade games are referred to as "junior varsity" games and, although competitive, these are also instructional games.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

These seventh grade games are referred to as "junior varsity" games and, although competitive, these are also instructional games.

What better instruction than calling a violation? I am sure they would learn not to do that again.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What better instruction than calling a violation? I am sure they would learn not to do that again.

That would certainly be one way of instructing these twelve year old players, and I would not have any problem with anybody handling it that way. But like I said, first game of the season, first period, confused players, I'm not ignoring the play, I'm sounding my whistle, telling them the right way to do it, and giving them do-over. Keep in mind that this is a league in which officials can use their judgment if some of the younger players on the "junior varsity" team go over the free throw line because they can't reach the basket from fifteen feet. That's the way we roll here in our Catholic middle school league, but I can certainly see where others may handle their seventh grade games differently.

Wait a minute. Do we have two Forum members posting under the name AremRed?

Originally Posted by AremRed

At that level you could either blow the whistle and point to the player to properly inbound the ball ... depending on how generous and/or teachable you are feeling.

[OKREF]

Elementary, and Junior High, I am stopping play and bringing them back for a proper throw in, once, and explaining the correct thing to do. After that I am calling a violation. All other levels no warning, it's a violation.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Wait a minute. Do we have two Forum members posting under the name AremRed?

Nope, just one. I agreed it is a teachable moment at that level, I simply pointed out they could learn from the violation being called, or the play being whistled back to try again. No inconsistency here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What better instruction than calling a violation? I am sure they would learn not to do that again.

Why are we treating this different then any other violation? And it is not ticky-tack, it is obvious.

This is the same age of kids that knows how to download files better then their parents and we think they cannot handle what not to do on a throw-in?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why are we treating this different then any other violation? And it is not ticky-tack, it is obvious.

This is the same age of kids that knows how to download files better then their parents and we think they cannot handle what not to do on a throw-in?

Peace

I think you have to read the game to know. Some times they should know better, sometimes they're barely able to hold the ball. At those levels, you have to call the game to a level that they specific players in the game are ready for.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why are we treating this different then any other violation? And it is not ticky-tack, it is obvious.

This is the same age of kids that knows how to download files better then their parents and we think they cannot handle what not to do on a throw-in?

Peace

They may know how to operate an IPhone better than I can ... but many of them have managed to make the A-team, and after 3 weeks of practice still don't know they can't dribble with both hands, or they can't stop a dribble and then dribble again.