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What would you do?
My friend had this happen to him in a 7th Grade A Team game (NFHS Rules). What would you do? Here goes: A1 makes a basket. After the ball goes through the basket, B1 picks it up and begins dribbling it down court towards their basket and crosses half court and passes off for B2 to take a shot.
What would you do? Blow the whistle as soon as B1 took the ball and started towards their basket giving them the opportunity to take the ball and inbound it? Would you stay at the endline and begin a 5-second count? If you did begin a count and B1 or B2 tried to come back to inbound the ball properly, is it a backcourt violation? This question has produced alot of discussion as to what the proper decision would be. Needless to say, the coaches had questions too. We can't find anything in the rule or case book on this issue, but maybe you can. What do you think? |
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Ther is either a current case or an annual interp (see the thread on that) to the effect that it's an immediate violation.
This play (or a variant of it) has been discussed since approximately 30 minutes after Al Gore invented the interwebs. |
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There is a case book or interpretation that has been made on this play. It was a few years ago that it was made. It is out there, I'll leave it to someone else (you) to dig a little deeper to find it.
Before the ruling, there was the same disagreement as you're experiencing...count to 5 or violation right away or blow the whistle and instruct them that it is a throwin. The ruling...as soon as they turn up court without making a proper throwin, it is a throwin violation. Do not wait for 5 seconds to elapse.
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No backcourt violation because the ball was never in play. At that level you could either blow the whistle and point to the player to properly inbound the ball, or start a 5-second count, depending on how generous and/or teachable you are feeling.
In a HS Varsity or college game I think it is a violation right away. Last edited by AremRed; Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 09:11pm. |
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Be A Plumber ...
9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)
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This is what my partner & I did in our 7th grade game last week.
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But these are seventh graders, not NCAA players. You don't work seventh grade games. I do. Early in the season, and early the game, I would be very likely to blow my whistle and call a do-over, after instructing the players on how to correctly make the throwin. Later in the season, or later in the game, I would be very likely to call the violation, also instructing the players on how to correctly make the throwin. In all cases, I would not ignore the play. I am also 100% certain that I would be backed by my Catholic middle school assigner. These seventh grade games are referred to as "junior varsity" games and, although competitive, these are also instructional games.
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What better instruction than calling a violation? I am sure they would learn not to do that again.
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Wait a minute. Do we have two Forum members posting under the name AremRed?
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Elementary, and Junior High, I am stopping play and bringing them back for a proper throw in, once, and explaining the correct thing to do. After that I am calling a violation. All other levels no warning, it's a violation.
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Nope, just one. I agreed it is a teachable moment at that level, I simply pointed out they could learn from the violation being called, or the play being whistled back to try again. No inconsistency here.
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Seems like common sense to me. Falls into the same category as getting them lined up for free throws properly...certainly not by the book, but I'm looking to help teach the game at this level.
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