AAU Non Payment Issues

[RocRef]

Second year referee here, out of Rochester, NY. I may have a stupid question to ask, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. Is it possible to take legal action for non payment of AAU games? I know AAU games are considered under the table, but would it do any good to take legal action on this? In my situation, maybe its not worth it. The tournament director only owes me $252 ($28 per game for 9 games), but i'm just frustrated with the whole situation. I drove 30+ miles there and back on a saturday and a sunday with nothing in return. The person running the tournament was also a coach in the tournament and i worked one of his games. His team got blown out by 40 and he was furious with the calls i was making that game. Its seems obvious to me, that the guy doesnt want to pay me b/c of how i officated his game. I'ved communicated with the guy through text message for a few months and we've made several arrangements for him to mail me the check or for us to meet up directly and each time he has blown me or made some excuse. I've dealt directly with the assigner that gave me the games and he has been unable to reach this guy. The assigner says he may end up paying me the money out of his own pocket, but it doesnt seem like hes so sure about doing that. Am I making a big deal about this or should i just let this one go and move on?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RocRef

Second year referee here, out of Rochester, NY. I may have a stupid question to ask, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. Is it possible to take legal action for non payment of AAU games?

Yes. Small claims court should cover this. Write him a letter indicating you are going to do this first.

I know AAU games are considered under the table,

No they aren't

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RocRef

... The tournament director only owes me $252 ($28 per game for 9 games) ...

Only my a$$. He owes you money for services rendered. If they are blowing you off contact AAU national HQs. They shouldn't have their tournament with the "AAU" moniker if they are not paying their officials.

If that doesn't work go to a local TV station. I would cause a stink.

We had a local AAU assigner who didn't pay us b/c he allowed our money to get tied up with his personal accounts which got confiscated by the IRS. He only owed me $85 but a few years later I got my money from him.

[RocRef]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the advice on this.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He only owed me $85 ...

Only my a$$.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by RocRef

I know AAU games are considered under the table, but

Please pay your taxes.

[Kelvin green]

My suggestion is to send an intent to sue letter to the AAU and the guy. He is their agent and organizationally they are bound to pay.

Small claims should work. If they don't pay they can pay the filing fees, etc.

I wonder if you can't find an attorney to write a letter...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

I wonder if you can't find an attorney to write a letter...

Almost everyone has a brother-in-law, niece, or cousin, who's an attorney. Ask for a piece of stationery and send it as a certified letter.

Just don't ask this guy:

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

I wonder if you can't find an attorney to write a letter...

The attorney's fees would probably be more than the officiating fees that he is missing!

[swkansasref33]

Or, if that ends up not working, get them to write the services off as a donation. I believe there is a decent chance that it could be written off on a tax return.

[BayStateRef]

A few suggestions. First, stop texting. Get on the phone and talk with him. Do not stop calling until you reach him.

Next. You need to think of this as a basic business transaction with a contract. His failing to pay you is a breach of contract. Do not overcomplicate it.

Next. Ask the assignor if he can contact the person and act as an intermediary. The assignor has the potential to withhold future services (assigning officials) and if he has any gumption, he should both threaten that...and do it.

Next...as others have told you...write a demand letter. There are many examples online of what it needs to say...but if you want, send me a private message and I can send you one that I had to use a few years ago to get paid. It's no fun chasing money...but this is a business for me and I treat it that way.

Lastly...(repeating advice from others)....whether you are paid in cash or by check does not make it "under the table." You are legally responsible to report all income, no matter the source. I am hardly naive...and realize many officials do not report income from AAU and other games...especially if paid in cash. But this is totally irrelevant to whether you are paid for services rendered.

Next time....don't leave the gym without getting paid.

[RocRef]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

A few suggestions. First, stop texting. Get on the phone and talk with him. Do not stop calling until you reach him.

Next. You need to think of this as a basic business transaction with a contract. His failing to pay you is a breach of contract. Do not overcomplicate it.

Next. Ask the assignor if he can contact the person and act as an intermediary. The assignor has the potential to withhold future services (assigning officials) and if he has any gumption, he should both threaten that...and do it.

Next...as others have told you...write a demand letter. There are many examples online of what it needs to say...but if you want, send me a private message and I can send you one that I had to use a few years ago to get paid. It's no fun chasing money...but this is a business for me and I treat it that way.

Lastly...(repeating advice from others)....whether you are paid in cash or by check does not make it "under the table." You are legally responsible to report all income, no matter the source. I am hardly naive...and realize many officials do not report income from AAU and other games...especially if paid in cash. But this is totally irrelevant to whether you are paid for services rendered.

Next time....don't leave the gym without getting paid.

Well, the problem isnt with communicating with the guy. I have communicated with the guy several times and he has AGREED to pay me, but gets shady when its time to pay. I dont think calling him will make a difference at this point. If he doesnt want to pay me, then he doesnt want to pay me. I have reached out to the assigner and he has tried to communicate with this guy. The assigner has been unsuccessful. It was my last call with my assigner that made me decide to post this thread, because he had no good news for me. Thank you for the advise on the reporting all Referee income. I will make sure of this in the future. As far as leaving the gym without getting paid, he told EVERY official that worked the tournament he would mail them a check. No one was paid that sunday of the tournament. I was just the only person that never received a check. Thanks for the input.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by RocRef

Well, the problem isnt with communicating with the guy. I have communicated with the guy several times and he has AGREED to pay me, but gets shady when its time to pay. I dont think calling him will make a difference at this point. If he doesnt want to pay me, then he doesnt want to pay me. I have reached out to the assigner and he has tried to communicate with this guy. The assigner has been unsuccessful. It was my last call with my assigner that made me decide to post this thread, because he had no good news for me. Thank you for the advise on the reporting all Referee income. I will make sure of this in the future. As far as leaving the gym without getting paid, he told EVERY official that worked the tournament he would mail them a check. No one was paid that sunday of the tournament. I was just the only person that never received a check. Thanks for the input.

Report him, go after him, don't work for him again.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by asdf

Report him, go after him, don't work for him again.

And tell all your officiating buddies.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by RocRef

As far as leaving the gym without getting paid, he told EVERY official that worked the tournament he would mail them a check. No one was paid that sunday of the tournament. I was just the only person that never received a check. Thanks for the input.

This is advice for you...and for every new official. Around here, AAU is cash or check at the gym. It is too risky, with too many transient operators, to do it any other way. The tournament director received fees from every team before he let them play. It's his job to have money for the officials at the game site. This is something you should always check first...and not accept assignments that do not pay you at the gym.