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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:49pm
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Regarding the "Consistency" video, I would definitely have a problem with this crew is the opposite had happened, if the first play was called a foul, and if the second play was passed on. Now that's inconsistency, and that's not an example of, what we would call, "mirroring". I wouldn't throw them under the bus, but I would make sure to broach the subject at some point after the game.
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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:50pm
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The call on one end has nothing to do with the call on the other end.



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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:38am
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The call on one end has nothing to do with the call on the other end.



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In your games, for your supervisors. You definitely can't speak for my games.
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:35pm
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Perhaps that's true in your area...I've never heard any official working a high level of basketball ever suggest to call fouls/violations in a vacuum as you suggest. Not a single one.
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:40pm
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...in a vacuum as you suggest ...
Wouldn't it be tough to breathe?
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:28pm
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Here's the deal. Explain to me how I'm wrong. Put the contact in four categories:


1. Nothing

2. Marginal contact, no advantage

3. Marginal contact, but advantage gained

4. Obvious foul


If you start calling this play based on what was called on the last play, sooner or later you will put a 3 in the 2 column or vice versa. (probably sooner) This is wrong any way you look at it. You can have 3 clean blocks in a row on one end and 3 fouls in a row on the other. It happens.

Just call the game.
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This is going to be area and maybe level dependent...but calls aren't judged in vacuum or in isolation. Close plays with marginal contact, are judged against the backdrop of what has or hasn't been called in the game.
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:02pm
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This is going to be area and maybe level dependent...but calls aren't judged in vacuum or in isolation. Close plays with marginal contact, are judged against the backdrop of what has or hasn't been called in the game.
The backdrop of the entire game, yes. The backdrop of the previous play, no.
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