Thoughts? (video)

[JetMetFan]

Background: Two plays from the NCAAW D2 Final 8.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

#1-traveling
#2-foul on the initial shot,good no call on the screen up top

[JRutledge]

1. Traveling
   
2. I can see the no call or not a foul on the shot. It looks like the player got to the floor. I am good with what went on on this play.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

More background: Play #1 resulted in foul #5 on White #34.

[Lotto]

On the second play, the contact on the shot is C's call. C is way too high to get a good look.

[johnny d]

Play 1, either a travel or nothing. Don't see anyway for a shooting foul to be called on this play.

Play 2, I agree with Jrut and like the no call. I am sure white coach is thinking he/she just got screwed though with the crap-ass foul call on the other end and then nothing here.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

More background: Play #1 resulted in foul #5 on White #34.

How is this relevant?

[Camron Rust]

I think it is a weak foul on the first play. On top of that, you can't get both the foul and the shot. It isn't continuous motion to turn, get fouled, pull the ball down and square up before going up for the shot. If the C insists on calling that foul, they can't give the shot too.

On the 2nd play, protect the shooter. The defender hipchecked the shooter to the floor before the shooter came down.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think it is a weak foul on the first play. On top of that, you can't get both the foul and the shot. It isn't continuous motion to turn, get fouled, pull the ball down and square up before going up for the shot. If the C insists on calling that foul, they can't give the shot too.

The first play, the slot is clearly calling the contact that occurs on he shooter's left arm (for the defender, in the official's judgement, violating verticality). Now whether that is a foul or not is another question, but the contact that is whistled is definitely during the shot.

[JugglingReferee]

Travel in play 1. Also no foul in play 1. Foul in play 2. Gotta get a foul like that.

In my judgement, I'd say they went 0/3 in the video.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

The first play, the slot is clearly calling the contact that occurs on he shooter's left arm (for the defender, in the official's judgement, violating verticality). Now whether that is a foul or not is another question, but the contact that is whistled is definitely during the shot.

That didn't even register as a possible foul to me.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by just another ref

How is this relevant?

Make it as relevant as you want or not relevant at all. I'm just providing background information.

[JetMetFan]

My $0.02 worth...

Play #1: The C assumed there was going to be contact so the called the first thing she saw.

Play #2: At a camp last year a pretty good official told me the following when I no-called a similar play...at this level when a player is airborne heading in one direction and then they change direction drastically, chances are they didn't do it on their own.

There's also an ant vs. elephant component to these two. C called an ant that really wasn't there on one end but then C and L - since he didn't pinch the paint - let the elephant go by at the other end.

[BillyMac]

1) Traveling. Easy peasey lemon squeezy.

2) Foul (Poor coaching, defender used wrong hand to block the ball, which resulted in "enough" contact on the airborne shooter to charge the foul).

Easy to call on videotape. I have no major problem with the calls made on the court in "real time". We all miss some, some more than others, but we all miss some.

[Raymond]

1) I have nothing, especially since the little contact that occurred came on the non-shooting arm.

2) Lead should have a secondary whistle on the play. C should have had a primary whistle but she took herself totally out of the play with here initial positioning. She was all worried about A1 when she was 30 feet from the basket but then when A1 drives to the basket the C is nowhere to be found.