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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:38am
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The answer to the question to what the new Lead should be thinking was "I can't have a foul for marginal contact on my end." So according to the big boys we should be taking account to what is called on the other end of the court.
So kinda like this video?

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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:26am
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Actually the video does not show anything about consistency at all. Neither play is the same and the first shooter took on two defenders and appeared to get blocked. I really hate it when we think consistency is just because we call something at one end, we think the very next play is the same type of play. Each play should be evaluated differently no matter what we have called.

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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:58am
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AremRed: Great "Consistency" video. Thanks.

I'm not sure that I see a foul on the first play, but I think I see a foul in the second play. I'm for consistency, or "mirroring", in a game, but this might be one situation, in my game, where there's going to be no foul on one end, and a foul called on the other end. Assuming that there was no illegal contact, on the first play, it's tough to ignore illegal contact, assumng it occurred, on the second play. To me, consistency means calling X on one end, and calling X down the other end (go ahead an substitute official for end), whereas this video might actually be showing X and Y. In real time, tougher calls on both ends than in "go back and look again" videos. I wouldn't be throwing these two officials under the bus if I were working with them, or observing them. At the most (or worst), I might question them with a, "So, what did you see on those two plays?".
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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:00pm
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So kinda like this video?
No, not the same. 1st play was a block with no contact, 2nd definitely had contact.
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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:46pm
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No, not the same. 1st play was a block with no contact, 2nd definitely had contact.
And if there was contact, it certainly does not mean it was a foul. All I know is I see an official with a good angle and the other with a good angle in the other end. Nothing tells me in this newer video that the officials did something incorrect.

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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:49pm
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Regarding the "Consistency" video, I would definitely have a problem with this crew is the opposite had happened, if the first play was called a foul, and if the second play was passed on. Now that's inconsistency, and that's not an example of, what we would call, "mirroring". I wouldn't throw them under the bus, but I would make sure to broach the subject at some point after the game.
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Old Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:50pm
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The call on one end has nothing to do with the call on the other end.



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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:38am
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The call on one end has nothing to do with the call on the other end.



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In your games, for your supervisors. You definitely can't speak for my games.
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:35pm
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The call on one end has nothing to do with the call on the other end.



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Perhaps that's true in your area...I've never heard any official working a high level of basketball ever suggest to call fouls/violations in a vacuum as you suggest. Not a single one.
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...in a vacuum as you suggest ...
Wouldn't it be tough to breathe?
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