Jump ball-Held Ball (Video)

[dsavitzky]

Originally Posted by Adam

If red had it first, it was by such a slim margin that you can't even tell for sure on video. Go with the a re-jump.

Now, here's the question for you since you're just getting started.

Who jumps?

The rejump's between the two players involved in the held ball(didn't bother to watch the video again to see their numbers).

[referee99]

Can I imagine a scenario where I would grant a time out request to the red player? Yes.
Things occur quickly on the play, but red grabs the ball and then white ties him up.

[JRutledge]

For the record I posted this for this kind of discussion.

But since I was one of the officials on this play, I clearly saw possession by the Red player first. Part of the discussion I had with my partner was asking if he had the same thing. He did so we went with a held ball and possession to white. It was not as clear on the video as I had a clear look at the Red player and how his hands were on the ball. Actually the White player as I remember it correctly only tied the ball up after the second attempt to grab the ball. The video does not confirm that as the ball is mostly hidden from the camera angle. And most of all, it was close and why we get paid the big bucks.

Peace

[Adam]

Jeff, that's a good point. The camera angle doesn't give us enough information on when red actually had control. But obviously the R has a great angle to see red's possession.

[JRutledge]

The U1 had a great angle too, which is why we went with a held ball after possession. All I did was ask him, "Do you have possession by Red first then a held ball?" He said yes and we put the ball in play after discussing with the coach. Still close, but if he "no" to my question, I might have re-jumped the ball. It was not worth a fight and not so obvious that I would give my paycheck that night to hold onto an either/or judgment.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record I posted this for this kind of discussion.

But since I was one of the officials on this play, I clearly saw possession by the Red player first. Part of the discussion I had with my partner was asking if he had the same thing. He did so we went with a held ball and possession to white. It was not as clear on the video as I had a clear look at the Red player and how his hands were on the ball. Actually the White player as I remember it correctly only tied the ball up after the second attempt to grab the ball. The video does not confirm that as the ball is mostly hidden from the camera angle. And most of all, it was close and why we get paid the big bucks.

Peace

I can see why you did it, even without a good angle on our end. It does appear Red secured the ball first.

Also saved you two from remembering who would've had to jump I hate rules like that which are different between the NFHS/NCAA codes. Makes me have to think out there which is a bad, bad thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I can see why you did it, even without a good angle on our end. It does appear Red secured the ball first.

Also saved you two from remembering who would've had to jump I hate rules like that which are different between the NFHS/NCAA codes. Makes me have to think out there which is a bad, bad thing.

Forgive me I am a little bit in football mode now when it comes to rules differences. But what rules difference applies here that is difference between NF and NCAA? Sorry I would look it up but I am preparing my football pre-game for tonight's game.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Forgive me I am a little bit in football mode now when it comes to rules differences. But what rules difference applies here that is difference between NF and NCAA? Sorry I would look it up but I am preparing my football pre-game for tonight's game.

Peace

NCAA: if there's a held ball before the arrow is established, the resulting jump ball is between any two players. NF, it would be between the two players involved in the held ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

NCAA: if there's a held ball before the arrow is established, the resulting jump ball is between any two players. NF, it would be between the two players involved in the held ball.

That is right. And for the record it would not have been hard to remember the two players. Those two were key in that game and they would have been hard to forget in this situation. Then again I work college football and rarely do I have an issue getting rules like that straight, especially in basketball. The rules differences are very minor. Football on the other hand.....

Peace

[OKREF]

I'm giving the ball to white and the arrow to red.

[JugglingReferee]

I'm more than ok with assigning first possession to red. Which means white gets the throw-in, and red the subsequent arrow.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm giving the ball to white and the arrow to red.

If you're giving the ball to white because you decided that red had possession, the you set the arrow to white and change it when the AP throw-in is completed. Otherwise you will have the arrow pointing the wrong way if, for example, there is a foul before the throw-in. And you call both coaches over and explain the whole thing to them and the table so everyone understands...