Rebounding Contact (video)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I thought the T gave up on the play too quickly. He starts moving down court too soon ... From the time the shot goes up, his only movement is away from the play.

Here in two person Connecticut, we are taught, from the crib, as the trail, to always take a step toward the basket on a shot. As one gracefully ages, and loses a few steps (adds a few pounds, and gets more gray hair, not that I would know anything about any of those things), one becomes inclined to take a step back on the shot to get ahead of the next play, assuming a rebound, and a transition, down to the other end of the court. We (I don't now why I used the first person, plural personal pronoun here) have to constantly fight that urge.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We (I don't now why I used the first person, plural personal pronoun here) have to constantly fight that urge.

...I noticed you have a religous reference in your signature...maybe it has something to do with that?

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... As one gracefully ages, and loses a few steps (adds a few pounds, and gets more gray hair, not that I would know anything about any of those things), one becomes inclined to take a step back on the shot to get ahead of the next play, assuming a rebound, and a transition, down to the other end of the court. ....

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

Agreed, and it's a little painful to see it in a college game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed, and it's a little painful to see it in a college game.

Absolutely drives me crazy when I'm watching a game on TV.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

Bingo! We train our new guys (and all the old guys that want to keep their place on the pecking order) to take a "step in" on a shot (so even if they don't actually take a "step in"...at least they are not "bailing out")

...also, the "C" or "T", depending on 2 or 3 Whistle crew...should take a step in on the last Free Throw. The next time you watch a game...see how many officials actually use this mechanic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...also, the "C" or "T", depending on 2 or 3 Whistle crew...should take a step in on the last Free Throw. The next time you watch a game...see how many officials actually use this mechanic.

Not a lot. And it usually is because we think we are going to get beat and we do not hang around long enough. I see it all summer in camps with even the most experienced officials.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... going to get beat and we do not hang around long enough. I see it all summer in camps with even the most experienced officials.

... because it's the most experienced officials who are older, a step slower, with a few more gray hairs, or a few less hairs. The young'uns hold their spot as the trail on a shot, even move in a step to get a good look at the rebounding action, and then know that they can beat the kids down to the endline on other end of the court. I used to be that fast many years ago. Now I find myself often doing a button hook maneuver to get a good look at fast break action down the other end. But, at least, I still try to take a step in, as the trail, on a shot, either a field goal, or a free throw. When I can't do that anymore, then it's probably time to hang up my Reebok Zigs.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... because it's the most experienced officials who are older, a step slower, with a few more gray hairs, or a few less hairs. The young'uns hold their spot as the trail on a shot, even move in a step to get a good look at the rebounding action, and then know that they can beat the kids down to the endline on other end of the court. I used to be that fast many years ago. Now I find myself often doing a button hook maneuver to get a good look at fast break action down the other end. But, at least, I still try to take a step in, as the trail, on a shot, either a field goal, or a free throw. When I can't do that anymore, then it's probably time to hang up my Reebok Zigs.

As stated, this has nothing to do with grey hair or age of the officials. I know very young officials that do the same thing and bail on shots and still get beat. If you are trained enough in 3 person, you will get beat and that is OK. And it is not because of how fast you are, but if you are doing the right things there will get beat on a fast break you just will not completely anticipate and the players are going to have a head start on you. I am certainly not slow and I accept the fact with my training I will get beat from time to time. The rebound is just more important then being ahead of a couple of players for a moment.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rebound is just more important then being ahead of a couple of players for a moment.

Well said. Which is exactly how we train all of our officials, young, old, experienced, and inexperienced.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

As stated, this has nothing to do with grey hair or age of the officials. I know very young officials that do the same thing and bail on shots and still get beat. If you are trained enough in 3 person, you will get beat and that is OK. And it is not because of how fast you are, but if you are doing the right things there will get beat on a fast break you just will not completely anticipate and the players are going to have a head start on you. I am certainly not slow and I accept the fact with my training I will get beat from time to time. The rebound is just more important then being ahead of a couple of players for a moment.

Peace

Agreed. Best statement I heard regarding this type of situation: "Officiate what's in front of you, not what you think will happen."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...and all the old guys that want to keep their place on the pecking order to take a "step in" on a shot, so even if they don't actually take a "step in", at least they are not "bailing out".

Same thing here in my little corner of Connecticut. It's a criticism that we varsity officials often mention to the subvarsity guys, and the same criticism will often show up on written evaluations of varsity officials by other varsity officials.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Bingo! We train our new guys (and all the old guys that want to keep their place on the pecking order) to take a "step in" on a shot (so even if they don't actually take a "step in"...at least they are not "bailing out")

...also, the "C" or "T", depending on 2 or 3 Whistle crew...should take a step in on the last Free Throw. The next time you watch a game...see how many officials actually use this mechanic.

I do but it took me a good 1 and a half to 2 whole seasons focusing on it every game to get it down so that I do it 95% of the time. The times I don't are when I get distracted by something weird or a coach or something else. Point is: it can be a hard habit to make or break but is doable and I think, as you all have mentioned very important to officiate the here and now and not the what might be.

[swerv17]

Positioning fundamentals! A high center and too far off the floor IMO, and the L should definitely be backing out as the shot goes up. L should have primary call on this play with T having secondary. If C is in the correct position, and neither the L or T has a whistle, than a cadence whistle from the C. That Blue player got rocked!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

You must have missed this part:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in two person Connecticut, we are taught, from the crib, as the trail, to always take a step toward the basket on a shot.