Rebounding Contact (video)

[BillyMac]

I'm not at all familiar with three person mechanics, but I can try to put a two person spin on this (I'm what you call, an expert, in two person mechanics, officiating here in the Land That Time Forgot).

Like BadNewsRef stated, the Lead blew his call. Period. Now, if I'm the Trail here, even knowing the difference between an ant, and an elephant, I'm probably going to hesitate for a split second because it's a call outside of my primary, and I'm probably thinking, "Why did the Lead pass on this play?". There are a lot of different animals along the animal spectrum between an ant, and an elephant. Maybe it was an American Bittern, for example? Maybe that hesitation is a little more than a spit second, and now I'm wondering if it's going to be a late whistle, even though I normally roll with a late whistle being a much better alternative than no whistle. While all this is being processed in my brain (my dendrites, axons, and synapses, don't fire as quickly as they used to), I spot the blue player with the ball, and now I'm thinking, "Good, we caught a break", and, as JetMetFan stated earlier, I pass on the play.

Later, during a break, I'm probably politely asking my partner what he saw on that rebounding play where the blue player fell to the floor. Any observers at the game will ask both of us the same question, and as the proverbs say, we hesitated, and now, we're lost, lost up a creek, without our paddles.

[JugglingReferee]

If in 2-person, and I'm the T when the C was, and I see it similar to the angle in the video, I give the L a chance to grab it, and if he doesn't, I will. If I'm in the position of the T in the video, I definitely grab this one.

If in 3-person, someone has to get it. Being a strong T means you grab this before bailing. The C can pick it up too. I do think the L was too close.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If in 2-person, and I'm the T when the C was, and I see it similar to the angle in the video, I give the L a chance to grab it, and if he doesn't, I will. If I'm in the position of the T in the video, I definitely grab this one.

If in 3-person, someone has to get it. Being a strong T means you grab this before bailing. The C can pick it up too. I do think the L was too close.

I agree. I thought the T gave up on the play too quickly. He starts moving down court too soon, IMO. From the time the shot goes up, his only movement is away from the play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I thought the T gave up on the play too quickly. He starts moving down court too soon ... From the time the shot goes up, his only movement is away from the play.

Here in two person Connecticut, we are taught, from the crib, as the trail, to always take a step toward the basket on a shot. As one gracefully ages, and loses a few steps (adds a few pounds, and gets more gray hair, not that I would know anything about any of those things), one becomes inclined to take a step back on the shot to get ahead of the next play, assuming a rebound, and a transition, down to the other end of the court. We (I don't now why I used the first person, plural personal pronoun here) have to constantly fight that urge.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We (I don't now why I used the first person, plural personal pronoun here) have to constantly fight that urge.

...I noticed you have a religous reference in your signature...maybe it has something to do with that?

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... As one gracefully ages, and loses a few steps (adds a few pounds, and gets more gray hair, not that I would know anything about any of those things), one becomes inclined to take a step back on the shot to get ahead of the next play, assuming a rebound, and a transition, down to the other end of the court. ....

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

Agreed, and it's a little painful to see it in a college game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed, and it's a little painful to see it in a college game.

Absolutely drives me crazy when I'm watching a game on TV.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

Bingo! We train our new guys (and all the old guys that want to keep their place on the pecking order) to take a "step in" on a shot (so even if they don't actually take a "step in"...at least they are not "bailing out")

...also, the "C" or "T", depending on 2 or 3 Whistle crew...should take a step in on the last Free Throw. The next time you watch a game...see how many officials actually use this mechanic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...also, the "C" or "T", depending on 2 or 3 Whistle crew...should take a step in on the last Free Throw. The next time you watch a game...see how many officials actually use this mechanic.

Not a lot. And it usually is because we think we are going to get beat and we do not hang around long enough. I see it all summer in camps with even the most experienced officials.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...and all the old guys that want to keep their place on the pecking order to take a "step in" on a shot, so even if they don't actually take a "step in", at least they are not "bailing out".

Same thing here in my little corner of Connecticut. It's a criticism that we varsity officials often mention to the subvarsity guys, and the same criticism will often show up on written evaluations of varsity officials by other varsity officials.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Bingo! We train our new guys (and all the old guys that want to keep their place on the pecking order) to take a "step in" on a shot (so even if they don't actually take a "step in"...at least they are not "bailing out")

...also, the "C" or "T", depending on 2 or 3 Whistle crew...should take a step in on the last Free Throw. The next time you watch a game...see how many officials actually use this mechanic.

I do but it took me a good 1 and a half to 2 whole seasons focusing on it every game to get it down so that I do it 95% of the time. The times I don't are when I get distracted by something weird or a coach or something else. Point is: it can be a hard habit to make or break but is doable and I think, as you all have mentioned very important to officiate the here and now and not the what might be.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

You must have missed this part:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in two person Connecticut, we are taught, from the crib, as the trail, to always take a step toward the basket on a shot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You must have missed this part:

No, I addressed with the bolded part:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This has nothing to do with age, instead it comes from a lack of training and/or discipline. Needs to be one of the basics instilled into new officials.

Once it's taught the officials need to use it. I've found that really has nothing to do with the age of officials.