Basketball Traveling Rules/Picking up your dribble

[potato]

It's not about how high, but i'm referring to the fact that the player's hand is in contact with the ball while running so he has total control over the ball, Adam got the idea what i'm trying to say, but Adam it's very possible to take 4-5 very quick steps jab steps left right left right (for a normal person within 2 seconds) while ball is on hand without palming, and still able to grab hold of the ball and do a pivot non-pivot run.

i couldn't find a video that any players actually did this, the closest was the Michael Jordan travel but he got called for palming before he had the chance to show it's legal to continue with a pivot non-pivot run all the while with the ball on his hand.

I'm sure if someone did this infront of officials chances are they going to call it a travel because it'd look so extremely awkward and since it seems nobody's though about this move or done it before. It would look like someone running all the way from 3/4 court to under the basket with his hand on the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_LktMbXNPQ

An easy way to picture it is something like this move by MJ, but let's assume: "MJ wasn't palming and he didn't do the last bounce on the ball before the layup" and instead held the ball to end the so called dribble and took a pivot/non-pivot run to finish the play, all the while his hand on the ball.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While dribbling, a player can slam the ball down onto the court with such force such that it bounces twenty-five feet into the air, and then take fifteen steps while the ball is in the air, and not be called for traveling. He can still continue to dribble once the ball comes back down and not be called for an illegal dribble.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by potato

i'm referring to the fact that the player's hand is in contact with the ball while running so he has total control over the ball,

The hand is in contact with the ball for an extended period of time. He has "total control" of the ball. This, for me, pretty much defines the ball coming to rest, ending the dribble.

it's very possible to take 4-5 very quick steps jab steps left right left right (for a normal person within 2 seconds) while ball is on hand without palming,

I think not.

[potato]

1.ball in contact with hand for extended period of time: about 1-2 seconds, ,you can easily see many dribblers hand in contact with the ball for 3-4 steps when they dribble from back to frontcourt, but they usually continue to dribble so it doesn't look awkward. I shouldn't have used "Total control", but since the ball is in contact with the hand he has quite abit of control.

2.get off your chair and do a quick left right left right baby steps with your feet, it's very possible for normal person. i don't mean full length steps that covers maximum range, but baby steps to make it like you are going left/right.

Originally Posted by just another ref

The hand is in contact with the ball for an extended period of time. He has "total control" of the ball. This, for me, pretty much defines the ball coming to rest, ending the dribble.



I think not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by potato

It's very possible to take 4-5 very quick steps jab steps left right left right while ball is on hand without palming, and still able to grab hold of the ball ...

Stop right there. "Hold"? The dribble has now ended and the player is limited in regard to what he can, or can't, do with his pivot foot, according to the traveling rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by potato

Without palming.

While palming, or carrying, is a legitimate violation in basketball, in reality it's actually either a travel violation, or an illegal (double) dribble violation, depending on whether, or not, the pivot foot is moving at the time. Officials don't really need the palming, or carrying, rule. Deleting palming, or carrying, from the rulebook would have absolutely no effect on the game of basketball because the officials would call either traveling, or illegal (double) dribble, when such a violation occurred. In fact, you can probably throw away the phrase double dribble, because it's actually an illegal dribble violation.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Palming or carrying is when the ball comes to rest in the player's hand, and the player either travels with the ball, or dribbles a second time.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by potato

4-5 very quick steps jab steps left right left right (for a normal person within 2 seconds) ...

Stop right there. You have already been advised to stay away from counting steps in regard to traveling (always listen to bob), and, rather, stick to identifying, and knowing the limitations on a player's pivot foot, Now I'm going to advise you to completely disregard any time limits in regard to the traveling rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by potato

It's legal to continue with a pivot non-pivot run all the while with the ball on his hand ...

The ball is "on" his hand? Sounds to me like he's holding the ball with that one hand. Yes it's legal for him to continue doing something, but he's limited to what he can do because he has now ended his dribble and has only a few legal options, one of them not being to continue his dribble, because that would be illegal, i.e., traveling, or travelling for our British friends.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by potato

It would look like someone running all the way from 3/4 court to under the basket with his hand on the ball.

Hand on the ball? At some point, early on in this move, he's going to travel as he moves his pivot foot while holding the ball.