Block-Charges (video)

[Multiple Sports]

When she first started posting she was a shy flower who was intimidated by male coaches. Now all of a sudden she has the wisdom and courage of Teddy V. and Eric Brewton [/QUOTE]

Teddy V. and Eric Brewton....got both the men's and women's game covered....thought you would say Bernie Clinton and Dwayne Gladden so you could suck up for more games !!!!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

When she first started posting she was a shy flower who was intimidated by male coaches. Now all of a sudden she has the wisdom and courage of Teddy V. and Eric Brewton

Teddy V. and Eric Brewton....got both the men's and women's game covered....thought you would say Bernie Clinton and Dwayne Gladden so you could suck up for more games ... [/QUOTE]

Sucking up doesn't get you college games. Around here it will get you a decent HS schedule though.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

JetMetFan, I got in touch with a guy from the camp and asked him to clarify what the clinicians meant. He said that plays like this do need to be called, and that you shouldn't call small, regular stuff outside your area. As a crew you need to take care of these types of collisions for all the reasons you and JRut mentioned. I only wish they had told me this at the time.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JetMetFan, I got in touch with a guy from the camp and asked him to clarify what the clinicians meant. He said that plays like this do need to be called, and that you shouldn't call small, regular stuff outside your area. As a crew you need to take care of these types of collisions for all the reasons you and JRut mentioned. I only wish they had told me this at the time.

At least he clarified it for you. I figured that was the case since I've heard it from every D1 official I've ever run into in a camp situation.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

At least he clarified it for you. I figured that was the case since I've heard it from every D1 official I've ever run into in a camp situation.

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

But are you going to arrest what may be the victim if you have a poor view of the crime just so you can arrest someone?

The T in this play had no chance to see through all of the bodies between him and the play. There were at least 3-4 directly in his line of sight to the play. The C probably had a much more open look, even if it was way out of their primary.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And all I have ever noticed about previous playing experience is it helps an official with strategy and understanding what is going on from a team aspect, but not necessarily their rules or mechanics knowledge.

Peace

Hey, that is 100% on the money!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

Get the elephants, not the ants. Everyone can see the elephants.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Misdemeanor ...Felony.

Good metaphor. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to such plays as ants, and elephants, same as in JRutledge's Chicagoland (his little northeast corner if Illinois).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good metaphor. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to such plays as ants, and elephants, same as in JRutledge's Chicagoland (his little northeast corner if Illinois).

Billy, my comment or reference did not just come directly from where I live. I have been to camps in other states and heard the same language or reference. BTW, Chicago and the suburbs, the population is larger then your entire state. We do not have one voice or standard as you would like to suggest. We have people with all kinds of experiences and work all kinds of levels. Things are a lot broader then a little corner.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Chicago and the suburbs, the population is larger then your entire state.

Yeah, go ahead just keep rubbing it in. And I bet that you guys don't use button hooks anymore to tie your shoes before a game.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But are you going to arrest what may be the victim if you have a poor view of the crime just so you can arrest someone?

The T in this play had no chance to see through all of the bodies between him and the play. There were at least 3-4 directly in his line of sight to the play. The C probably had a much more open look, even if it was way out of their primary.

In this case? Yes, unfortunately. After the game the crew can figure out why the play was FUBAR. During the game, someone has to do something for the reasons Jeff and I mentioned before. On a play like that it's going to be next to impossible to tell a coach, your observer or your supervisor that no one saw it or that is was incidental. Granted you don't want to screw it up but a no-call looks much worse.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In this case? Yes, unfortunately. After the game the crew can figure out why the play was FUBAR. During the game, someone has to do something for the reasons Jeff and I mentioned before. On a play like that it's going to be next to impossible to tell a coach, your observer or your supervisor that no one saw it or that is was incidental. Granted you don't want to screw it up but a no-call looks much worse.

You know what, I just watched this video again. I think what got this all started bad was that the lead was not refereeing the defense and was left not knowing how the defender got there. He seemed to be tracking the dribbler in, even after the dribbler beat the initial defender. No need to be watching the dribbler. That is what set up this mess.

I just don't like guesses that penalize the wrong player...which is what the trail did. I don't think he had any look at the play at all and came up with a whistle and made up a call simply because he saw two bodies go down. I think there should have been call but I just think that guessing (and getting it wrong) is worse....even worse than a blarge.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You know what, I just watched this video again. I think what got this all started bad was that the lead was not refereeing the defense and was left not knowing how the defender got there. He seemed to be tracking the dribbler in, even after the dribbler beat the initial defender. No need to be watching the dribbler. That is what set up this mess.

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For a little defense of the L, he does have responsibility for the drive in NCAAW floor coverage. That said, I do agree with you that he had no idea that secondary defender was there because he turned his head rather than moving wider.

And the C actually has an amazing look at that first play as the waters parted right in front of her. Maybe if she had gotten the whistle they would have gotten that call correct?

[Multiple Sports]

Cam and RR -

I think both of your last posts bring up great points, however Cam we are just going to have to disagree.... If you are lead in a game where I am the T, I will have a whistle on that play if you don't every time. If the roles are reversed, then it will have to be a play on, unless you are comfortable with your look and then I can only hope you will come save the crew......

One of my closest friends is an observer for the NBA ( BNR no wise cracks neccessary ) and he says with a secondary defender both C & T should get looks so they can have a whistle on this play.

Cam maybe this will be play of the year on the Reftown site ......