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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:40pm
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Worked some crap-ass HS shootout this past weekend because it was assigned by one of the college assignors I work for and he expects you to work at least one day at one of the many HS shootouts he assigns every summer. One of the schools has a new coach. He is a young guy and this is his first head coaching experience at varsity level so he is a little wound up and kind of excitable. He is questioning lots of calls and acting like this is the state playoffs rather than the glorified practice that it is. They are getting drilled by 30 late in the second half when a player from the other team comes flying out of nowhere for an amazing two hand follow up dunk on a missed shot. I was trail and it was probably basket interference, but taking into account it is summer, games dont mean anything, score at the time, and just the plain awesome nature of the play, I decide not to wave the basket off. The coach starts jumping up and down complaining about goaltending. So I go over there and tell him relax it is a summer league game there isnt any reason to get all worked up. He says it was GT, I tell him the ball was out of the cylinder. He wants to keep arguing and eventually says it is my opinion the ball is out of the cylinder. Finally, ive had enough so I respond to him that if he wanted his opinion to matter, he should have become a referee instead of a coach. I think it stunned him into silence. The only good thing about these worthless summer games is the level of professionalism expected from us is so much lower than the regular season we can actually respond to these idiot coaches in ways that we never can when the games matter.
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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:04pm
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They are getting drilled by 30 late in the second half when a player from the other team comes flying out of nowhere for an amazing two hand follow up dunk on a missed shot. I was trail and it was probably basket interference, but taking into account it is summer, games dont mean anything, score at the time, and just the plain awesome nature of the play, I decide not to wave the basket off.
That to would make me more likely to call it, not ignore it. Why let the team that is getting drilled get embarrassed by an illegal play? No good can come from that.
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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:31pm
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That to would make me more likely to call it, not ignore it. Why let the team that is getting drilled get embarrassed by an illegal play? No good can come from that.
Exactly, and the same goes for the smart-ass comment at the end of a conversation that lasted way too long. Let the coach tell you what he saw, tell him you disagree and it's time to move on. That's the longest you should get, IMO, on this play. Don't be surprised if your college assigner is paying attention to how you respond to coaches in this situation.

And again, I agree that it seems like you probably should have called the BI.
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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:40pm
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Don't be surprised if your college assigner is paying attention to how you respond to coaches in this situation.
He isn't there and doesn't care as long as there are two people there. He knows the coaches around here can be complete dumbasses in the summer. He knows we are not even getting half of a regular game fee to work the game, and he knows it is nothing more than a glorified practice with the teams missing many if not all of their best players. Most importantly, I have worked HS and college for him long enough so that he knows exactly how I handle coaches when it actually matters.
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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:30pm
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Worked some crap-ass HS shootout this past weekend because it was assigned by one of the college assignors I work for and he expects you to work at least one day at one of the many HS shootouts he assigns every summer. One of the schools has a new coach. He is a young guy and this is his first head coaching experience at varsity level so he is a little wound up and kind of excitable. He is questioning lots of calls and acting like this is the state playoffs rather than the glorified practice that it is. They are getting drilled by 30 late in the second half when a player from the other team comes flying out of nowhere for an amazing two hand follow up dunk on a missed shot. I was trail and it was probably basket interference, but taking into account it is summer, games dont mean anything, score at the time, and just the plain awesome nature of the play, I decide not to wave the basket off. The coach starts jumping up and down complaining about goaltending. So I go over there and tell him relax it is a summer league game there isnt any reason to get all worked up. He says it was GT, I tell him the ball was out of the cylinder. He wants to keep arguing and eventually says it is my opinion the ball is out of the cylinder. Finally, ive had enough so I respond to him that if he wanted his opinion to matter, he should have become a referee instead of a coach. I think it stunned him into silence. The only good thing about these worthless summer games is the level of professionalism expected from us is so much lower than the regular season we can actually respond to these idiot coaches in ways that we never can when the games matter.
Wow...what would you have done if that would have sent him over the edge. You didn't call a violation against the other team when his team was getting embarrased because you thought it was an awesome play. Then you bait him (in my opinion) with that smart-a...err, that comment.

You got away with it...so I guess there was no real harm. Luckily for your partner he did start tearing into him after you set the stage.

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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:36pm
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Summer time it the time I call everything. I do not miss on a violation or foul if it is obvious ever. It is better for the players and coaches to learn now then during the season. And the clock is running too in the vast cases so it gives us time to "rest" honestly when we blow the whistle.

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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:17pm
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Last night, varsity girls summer league. A1 gets held in the paint, as we're (double whistle on this one) blowing whistles, she starts flailing a bit and starts to square off before backing off on her own.

After the players are separated, I start to walk towards the coach to ask him to talk to her. Before I get there, I hear "I have a sub at the table. But she was being held and just protecting herself." As I was saying, "Coach, we got the foul, she doesn't need to protect herself," I was thinking, "I should have just called the T."

That attitude was apparently part of the team dynamic, though, as we ended up giving one to a different player later.
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I hear "I have a sub at the table. But she was being held and just protecting herself."
How is this statement worthy of a technical foul? I feel like I need some background.
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Old Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:09am
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How is this statement worthy of a technical foul? I feel like I need some background.
That statement isn't. The player's behavior was close, and I decided to give the coach the chance to deal with it instead. That's the choice I regret.
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Old Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:22am
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That statement isn't. The player's behavior was close, and I decided to give the coach the chance to deal with it instead. That's the choice I regret.
I misunderstood your post, my bad. I have heard it said on this forum that the only technicals you regret are the ones you did not call. Hopefully this one won't stick with ya!
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Old Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:20am
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That statement isn't. The player's behavior was close, and I decided to give the coach the chance to deal with it instead. That's the choice I regret.
This is why I've never been a "get the coach to help you out with problem players" type. I address players directly and in a manner that everybody in the gym knows what I'm doing. Coaches who care about their players' behavior will ask me what the problem was.
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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:32pm
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Worked some crap-ass HS shootout this past weekend because it was assigned by one of the college assignors I work for and he expects you to work at least one day at one of the many HS shootouts he assigns every summer. One of the schools has a new coach. He is a young guy and this is his first head coaching experience at varsity level so he is a little wound up and kind of excitable. He is questioning lots of calls and acting like this is the state playoffs rather than the glorified practice that it is. They are getting drilled by 30 late in the second half when a player from the other team comes flying out of nowhere for an amazing two hand follow up dunk on a missed shot. I was trail and it was probably basket interference, but taking into account it is summer, games dont mean anything, score at the time, and just the plain awesome nature of the play, I decide not to wave the basket off. The coach starts jumping up and down complaining about goaltending. So I go over there and tell him relax it is a summer league game there isnt any reason to get all worked up. He says it was GT, I tell him the ball was out of the cylinder. He wants to keep arguing and eventually says it is my opinion the ball is out of the cylinder. Finally, ive had enough so I respond to him that if he wanted his opinion to matter, he should have become a referee instead of a coach. I think it stunned him into silence. The only good thing about these worthless summer games is the level of professionalism expected from us is so much lower than the regular season we can actually respond to these idiot coaches in ways that we never can when the games matter.
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Old Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:46pm
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Is this post something you are proud of?

It most certainly is. As I said, the games are absolutely meaningless.
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Old Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:17am
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It most certainly is. As I said, the games are absolutely meaningless.
Perhaps they are meaningless to you, and a chore to work. However, I suggest you exercise some humbleness by realizing that these games can mean a lot to the coaches, players, and fans. No matter the level, treat every game as important -- that is part of our professionalism as officials.
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