travel violations

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had an interesting discussion about traveling in AAU games this weekend with one set of refs. one team was continually establishing a pivot foot doing multiple jab steps then starting their drives off in the other direction with the pivot foot leaving the flloor before letting go the ball. After what seemed like the 20th such play and being that AAU you practically sit on the floor in most of these areanas I asked the ref as he was running by why it wasnt a travel. I coach, but not this team, so I am used to talking with refs and trying to understand the rules better, but i was given a snide remark from the ref, which is not unusual given the amount of grief i know they get. A bit later in the game a kid was setting up down low on two feet so no pivot established. he jumped off both feet in a whirl move turned the corner for a layup and again said something to the ref as he went by about use of the pivot feet and got another nasty remark about not knowing the rules.

after the game being a bit put off by the ref's tone went over discuss the plays with them to see if i was interpreting them incorrectly. was told by both ref's I didn't know what i was talking about and they called the tournament director who i had a nice conversation with and explained what I had seen. they wanted me tossed, but as i wasn't coaching this weekend just observing the director agreed with what i was saying and was going to have a conversation with the ref's after the following game. not sure how it turned out as i had to leave soon after. but still made for a fun few moments.

in any case arent both of these clear travels ?