travel violations

[upprdeck]

Is the lack of discussion just because there is so much negativity at these events? I mean the amount of screaming at the refs amazes me at these things. Every call seems to get a yell. I tend to only question

AAU vs HS are called in a totally different way from my discussions with ref's who are actually friendly. Rules violations are not to be called. rough play is allowed and only marginally dangerous fouls will be called because the schedule must be kept. I have been flat told out by ref's there will be home cooking bias against out of town teams. Now in HS I think its more caused by crowd energy than any real bias but in AAU that seems to much more prevalent.

when you see the same violation 20-30 times in a game you do have to wonder why its never called.

I have done a coached of games. never had a T, dont scream or swear and I have refs who I have gotten to know pretty well and have great discussions with at these events who dont do any of our local games.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. If you're making enough of a nuisance to get my attention in an AAU game, you risk getting tossed.
2. A site director who refused to toss you for any reason wouldn't be getting officials from my association for long. Especially if his reason is, "the fan had a point." In this case, I'm probably tossing you for approaching me after the game combined with making a nuisance of yourself during the game.
3. If the first thing I hear is a polite approach between games, I'll engage. I'll tell you what I saw, but I'm not getting into a discussion, though. I'll tell you what I saw and what the rule is, but that's all.
4. Your description is of traveling, but the refs may have seen it differently.

Wow!

I don't participate in many conversations any more, but I like reading what everyone has to say.

Adam, you seem knowledgeable and reasonable most of the time, maybe I am not reading you correctly.

IF the OP made the comment in the way he actually stated during the game, it is on the official to stay professional and not engage fans. Just because someone makes a comment or asks a question does not mean that an official needs to pay attention to it. I would hardly call the initial comment as a nuisance.

Even in the AAU setting, just how are you going to eject someone without the backing of the gym supervisor. It is rare that these individuals will eject unless vulgar or confrontational in nature.

While I don't see a problem with trying to educate someone, once you open the door for a conversation, be professional. If a person does not want to accept your explanation, just end the conversation and move away. There are enough bad examples out there, don't become another one.

Lastly, you never know who you are talking to, what their intentions are by starting a conversation, they might even have someone filming you for their youtube page.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

a player with both feet on the floor jumps off both feet and whirls to the basket around the defender and then dribbles before coming back to the floor.

so when do you address officials to have discussions about plays? its not like there is a place to have the discussion about rules with any officials you will ever see again.

as a coach there is nothing worse than watching rules mistakes with ref/umpires never get corrected. In a local league you have a small chance of getting local coordinator to have a discussion . no chance in AAU type settings where most teams never go back.

If you are at a game and watch a rule get blown do you choose to say nothing or inquire after the game?

I ask on these boards to get clarity. how do refs fix their mistakes if noone every asks them? you can ask in a friendly tone , shouldnt the refs want to get better as well? I have had some great conversations with refs/umpires about rules over the years during and after games. Had some even say thanks for reminding them when the mess up a call. it doesnt have to by a non-civil conversation.

I officiate at a very busy AAU facility, the Boo Williams Sportsplex. They have a person in place to handle officiating questions/problems (he also happens to be the national head of AAU officiating) plus the group that does the bulk of the assigning usually has someone there.

I'm not interested in any conversations with fans about officiating at the game site b/c most of them don't go well. So I eliminate all the headaches with the trade-off being I might miss out on an ocassional pleasant conversation.

I have fellow officials and observers to let me know if they've seen something I might need to address. Plus I have coaches during the game who make sure to let me know if I've might have missed something.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

Establishing a pivot foot doing multiple jab steps then starting their drives off in the other direction with the pivot foot leaving the floor before letting go the ball.

Travel. All day long. All night long. Travel in a boys high school varsity game. Travel in a Catholic middle school girls "junior varsity" game. Travel in a gymnasium. Travel on an outdoor playground court. Travel in my sleep. Travel when I'm awake. Travel in my dreams. If it happens in my primary coverage area, it's a travel 100% of the time, all the time, every time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Travel. All day long. All night long. Travel in a boys high school varsity game. Travel in a Catholic middle school girls "junior varsity" game. Travel in a gymnasium. Travel on an outdoor playground court. Travel in my sleep. Travel when I'm awake. Travel in my dreams. If it happens in my primary coverage area, it's a travel 100% of the time, all the time, every time.

Agreed.

If it happened as the OP said.

[just another ref]

Perhaps Ncaa Traveling (Non) Calls Trickling Down?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Perhaps Ncaa Traveling (Non) Calls Trickling Down?

Perhaps a lot of AAU officials aren't well versed on travelling rules.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Perhaps a lot of AAU officials aren't well versed on travelling rules.

Or maybe they have been reading too many of JRut's posts!