over an back rule?

[HokiePaul]

#2 seems like a backcourt violation to me, assuming the defender gains control before throwing the ball back court (as opposed to batting it).

#3 (99% sure) is legal. I believe the defender is allowed to make a normal landing on an stolen ball. I'm I'm incorrect, someone will cite the rule I'm sure.

[upprdeck]

so in case 3 what happens if the D deflects the ball first and then another defender catches it and lands in the back court. does the D have to show control before the exemption goes away?

my question from throw-ins is because i thought when a throw in was deflected the exemption to land in the back court was gone? or is that only for the inbounding and not the defending team?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

so in case 3 what happens if the D deflects the ball first and then another defender catches it and lands in the back court. does the D have to show control before the exemption goes away?

my question from throw-ins is because i thought when a throw in was deflected the exemption to land in the back court was gone? or is that only for the inbounding and not the defending team?

We'd better be able to answer you question(s) if you give a clear description of a particular play you have in mind. And use A1/A2/etc for offensive players and B1/B2/etc for defensive players.

[upprdeck]

1) A1 throws a pass in the front court, B1 deflects it into the air, B2 jumps from his front court and and catches the ball landing in the A1 front court

2) A1 throws in a pass to his back court, B1 jumps and deflects it into the air, B2 Jumps from his front court and lands in his back court.

3) A1 throws in a pass into his front court, B1 deflects it and A2 jumps and catches it landing in his back court.

so I believe in example 3 thats a violation as B1 touching the ball removes the exemption. the other two I am confused or perhaps all 3.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

1) A1 throws a pass in the front court, B1 deflects it into the air, B2 jumps from his front court and and catches the ball landing in the A1 front court

2) A1 throws in a pass to his back court, B1 jumps and deflects it into the air, B2 Jumps from his front court and lands in his back court.

3) A1 throws in a pass into his front court, B1 deflects it and A2 jumps and catches it landing in his back court.

so I believe in example 3 thats a violation as B1 touching the ball removes the exemption. the other two I am confused or perhaps all 3.

I've got (I think but I'm pretty tired) illegal 2 and 3. The same touching that removes exemption in 3 does so in 2.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

1) A1 throws a pass in the front court, B1 deflects it into the air, B2 jumps from his front court and and catches the ball landing in the A1 front court

2) A1 throws in a pass to his back court, B1 jumps and deflects it into the air, B2 Jumps from his front court and lands in his back court.

3) A1 throws in a pass into his front court, B1 deflects it and A2 jumps and catches it landing in his back court.

so I believe in example 3 thats a violation as B1 touching the ball removes the exemption. the other two I am confused or perhaps all 3.

If these are all throw-in passes, then it's a violation in all.

If these are "during play" passes, then the first two are legal.

[upprdeck]

so my question to all of this why is the rule different for plays started on the court and plays started out of bounds?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

so my question to all of this why is the rule different for plays started on the court and plays started out of bounds?

On a throw in there's no "offense" or "defense" so both are held to the same rule. Once the ball is in play, the offense can (in theory) control where the ball goes, so the defense gets an "extra" exception.

And, whether the "defensive exception" applied during the throw-in process was a big debate here for a couple of years until the FED clarified. It's now been 5? years since this was "settled."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If these are all inbounds passes, then it's a violation in all.

If these are "during play" passes, then the first two are legal.

It took me a couple times of reading this to realize you meant "throw-ins".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It took me a couple times of reading this to realize you meant "throw-ins".

good point, and edited.

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

1) A1 throws a pass in the front court, B1 deflects it into the air, B2 jumps from his front court and and catches the ball landing in the A1 front court

2) A1 throws in a pass to his back court, B1 jumps and deflects it into the air, B2 Jumps from his front court and lands in his back court.

3) A1 throws in a pass into his front court, B1 deflects it and A2 jumps and catches it landing in his back court.

so I believe in example 3 thats a violation as B1 touching the ball removes the exemption. the other two I am confused or perhaps all 3.

We need to put on some shorts and act these out

Seriously, how funny would they be????

I have all three as violations since team control does not change on deflections. It's a classic case of someone jumping from their front court, catching in mid-air, and landing in their back court. The second they touch it, they have front court status and land in the back court. Violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

We need to put on some shorts and act these out

Seriously, how funny would they be????

I have all three as violations since team control does not change on deflections. It's a classic case of someone jumping from their front court, catching in mid-air, and landing in their back court. The second they touch it, they have front court status and land in the back court. Violation.

There are exceptions for this. One of these plays is very clearly an exception.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

so in case 3 what happens if the D deflects the ball first and then another defender catches it and lands in the back court. does the D have to show control before the exemption goes away?

my question from throw-ins is because i thought when a throw in was deflected the exemption to land in the back court was gone? or is that only for the inbounding and not the defending team?

It's for both teams on the throw-in.