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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:21am
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I don't see anything close to a travel on play #1.

Play #2 might be a travel if we were allowed to ref games while they were shown to use in slo-motion. If it is a travel, it's hard to detect at full speed.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:26am
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During the broadcast, they went on and on about that first play being a missed travel. I didn't think it was in real time... and then every time they replayed it I was even more sure.

It's back to the difference between the rule (Gather, pivot, etc) and the perception of the rule (3 steps!)
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:38am
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If you stop the video at 11 seconds, the player has both hands on the ball and the left foot on the ground (just outside the FT circle).

When the left foot touches again, it's a travel.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:50am
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If you stop the video at 11 seconds, the player has both hands on the ball and the left foot on the ground (just outside the FT circle).

When the left foot touches again, it's a travel.
From this angle you can't tell the exact moment the gather takes place, but I'm placing it at the free throw line, at which time his left toe may be on the ground.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 11:41am
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On replay play #1 MIGHT be a travel.

And that's why it wasn't and shouldn't be called.

The announcers don't know what they are talking about. And the reasoning in the other thread that it was an obvious travel b/c of the distance covered is flawed. Good basketball players get to the basket on two dribbles all the time from 28' in.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:01pm
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Play #1 is a travel. I actually DVR this play when it happened. He has ended his dribble (gathered two hands on the ball) with left foot on the ground, making it the pivot. A travel occurs when pivot foot returns to the floor and ball is still in his grasp - this happened in this play.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:01pm
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On replay play #1 MIGHT be a travel.

And that's why it wasn't and shouldn't be called.

The announcers don't know what they are talking about. And the reasoning in the other thread that it was an obvious travel b/c of the distance covered is flawed. Good basketball players get to the basket on two dribbles all the time from 28' in.
Distance covered is an awful way to try to adjudicate these type of plays (and I know it wasn't you that brought this up). If you're 6'6 (as is listed for the player in the clip above), of course you're very easily going to cover a lot of distance.
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Sorry, not seeing a travel here.

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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:28pm
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If you stop the video at 11 seconds, the player has both hands on the ball and the left foot on the ground (just outside the FT circle).

When the left foot touches again, it's a travel.
Exactly. This is clearly a travel, I thought it was when I saw it live.
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Let the discussion...continue
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:57pm
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If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.
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If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.
Nice photo. I stand corrected.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:53pm
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If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.
Agree. Dribble ended. Pivot foot left. Travel.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:59pm
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If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.

Clearly a travel in a still shot, but he only takes two steps (right, left). However, the second step is the pivot foot returning to the floor. To say this is clearly a travel at real-speed is a farce, in my opinion. It looked funny, but strange isn't necessarily illegal. I have no problems without a whistle on this play.
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Old Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:10pm
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If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.
I agree it's a travel but not b/c of "right, left, right". It's because of "lifts left foot (pivot) and replants it to jump.

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As you can see from my first post I thought it was a travel when I was watching the game live. He also takes three steps. He takes another step after his left foot hits the floor and jumps off his right foot to shoot.
He jumped of his left foot.
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