Illegal Screen/Technical video--your thoughts?

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

You've made some excellent points here and I'll agree with them. The main reason I prefer allowing the calling official to administer the "T" is that if I kick a call, I'm going to allow a coach to vent. If my partner "T"'s him, we now have double-trouble because of a call that I kicked.

"Coach, even if you think I missed that call, you will still treat my crew with respect. That is not negotiable." I don't let a coach vent just because he thinks we missed one (or even if I think we missed one). Adults know how to ask questions reasonably without "venting." Coaches in our area know that venting or gestures that the whole gym can see aren't acceptable. We cracked down on it starting 3 years ago and we just don't see it anymore. Smart guys.... they have adapted.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by zebraman

"Coach, even if you think I missed that call, you will still treat my crew with respect. That is not negotiable." I don't let a coach vent just because he thinks we missed one (or even if I think we missed one). Adults know how to ask questions reasonably without "venting." Coaches in our area know that venting or gestures that the whole gym can see aren't acceptable. We cracked down on it starting 3 years ago and we just don't see it anymore. Smart guys.... they have adapted.

That is pretty much the same here, zebraman. There are acceptably behaviors from a coach...they can't kick over chairs or throw things in the classroom, so they aren't going to do it on the court either.

[REFANDUMP]

I agree that kicking and throwing things are unacceptable under any circumstances. I do not agree however, that we shouldn't allow a coach to vent a little when WE kick a call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I agree that kicking and throwing things are unacceptable under any circumstances. I do not agree however, that we shouldn't allow a coach to vent a little when WE kick a call.

99% of the time when the coach feels the need to "vent," it's because he thinks we kicked a call. We don't let him act like an idiot when we know the call was right, but he disagrees. Why should he get to act like an idiot when we think we might have kicked one. Or worse, why should he get to act like an idiot because we think our partner kicked one?

I might be a little more open to a question on a call I know was close or may have been kicked, but his standards of behavior remain the same. He can ask a question, and maybe get away with a few more quiet words than I'd put up with otherwise, but public displays of affection are going to get shut down just as quickly as if I was 100% sure of the call.

They're adults. As zebraman and rocky noted, they're quite capable of curbing their behavior when they know it's expected.

One thing that drives me nuts is the whole "it's a tense situation" excuse.

[ref3808]

I have no problem with the illegal screen ruling. I think the screener set his legs outside the allowable frame and there was a bit of a push there as well. Having said that, I've seen worse than that not ruled as illegal.

In any case, the coach simply doesn't get to act that way and disrespect the game and the officials. Not in a scrimmage, not in a regular season game and not in a playoff game. In my opinion officials hesitate far too often to take care of business when the coach's behavior is unacceptable. The coach is supposed to set the standard for his team. Is that the standard we want set?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ref3808

I have no problem with the illegal screen ruling. I think the screener set his legs outside the allowable frame and there was a bit of a push there as well. Having said that, I've seen worse than that not ruled as illegal.

That would all be great but the contact was with his torso, not his legs. It is not illegal to set up badly, it is illegal if that is where the contact takes place.

Peace

[REFANDUMP]

If you kick the call and you call the "T", it's your fault, not his !!! If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.