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Old Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:58pm
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Old Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:10pm
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The first one looks like the official got the basket portion wrong. I am not even totally convinced the charge was correct (technically).

The second one was really close, I mean razor thin close when it comes to the basket counting. I think that was a solid charge call too.

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Two charges, two buckets, although I agree the second one is close as to whether the shot was off in time.
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Old Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:01pm
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Two charges, two buckets, although I agree the second one is close as to whether the shot was off in time.
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Two charges, two buckets, although I agree the second one is close as to whether the shot was off in time.
Is NCAA different from Fed regarding airborne shooter committing a player control foul?
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The last time I was a statistician at NCAA games, NCAA-M rules do allow for the possibility of a good basket and a foul committed by the shooter.

The women's rule, I believe, matched up with NFHS.

Is this still the case in NCAA?
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They might as well make the charge call the same as HS. On the rare occasion that a player does release before contact, it usually surprises the officials and they rarely get it right. Maybe next year the NCAA will let them go to the video for that too. :-)
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Old Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:33pm
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They might as well make the charge call the same as HS. On the rare occasion that a player does release before contact, it usually surprises the officials and they rarely get it right. Maybe next year the NCAA will let them go to the video for that too. :-)
Officials working that rule set should be prepared to properly ajudicate this play. Both cases the basket should have counted.5

Asking for help (or providing help) on this type of play would be a good idea.
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The last time I was a statistician at NCAA games, NCAA-M rules do allow for the possibility of a good basket and a foul committed by the shooter.

The women's rule, I believe, matched up with NFHS.

Is this still the case in NCAA?
Yes - still the case in NCAAM.
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Allow for the possibility of a good basket and a foul committed by the shooter.
That was the NFHS rule thirty years ago. One coach is happy because the basket counted. The other coach is happy because the official called the foul. It was a win, win situation. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. and I are probably the only Forum members that remember utilizing this rule in a NFHS high school game.
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That was the NFHS rule thirty years ago. One coach is happy because the basket counted. The other coach is happy because the official called the foul. It was a win, win situation. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. and I are probably the only Forum members that remember utilizing this rule in a NFHS high school game.
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That was the NFHS rule thirty years ago. One coach is happy because the basket counted. The other coach is happy because the official called the foul. It was a win, win situation. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. and I are probably the only Forum members that remember utilizing this rule in a NFHS high school game.
What about when the fouled player goes to the line to shoot FTs? Is that a win-win too?

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