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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 07:56am
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A1 shoots a jump shot. AFTER the ball as been released,
A4 fouls B4 in the low post . Is the basket counted or not ? I believe that it is not counted when the offensive team fouls, BUT is counted when it is a defensive foul. Please respond for both HS and college games. I have looked through the HS rule book twice and I can't find a rule that pretains.
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 08:30am
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A1 shoots a jump shot. AFTER the ball as been released,
A4 fouls B4 in the low post . Is the basket counted or not ? I believe that it is not counted when the offensive team fouls, BUT is counted when it is a defensive foul. Please respond for both HS and college games. I have looked through the HS rule book twice and I can't find a rule that pretains.
The basket counts in all cases (NF, NCAAM/W). The situation that causes a basket not to count is a player-control foul. Check out the definition of PC foul in Rule 4 and the live/dead ball regulations in Rule 6. (I can give more specific references for the NCAA rules. I don't use NF rules so I don't have those books.)
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 09:02am
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I have looked through the HS rule book twice and I can't find a rule that pretains.
Look in the live-ball / dead-ball rule under "When the ball becomes dead."

Take particular notice of the exceptions.

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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 10:19am
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Continuation does not apply on any offensive foul. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of. But after the release, the basket counts unless the foul is committed by the shooter.
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 10:28am
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... But after the release, the basket counts unless the foul is committed by the shooter.
To complete the picture, this is NOT the case under ncaa mens rules.
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 10:57am
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Thanks to all. This was a situation that came up at a NCAA camp this weekend. I thought that it should count. The clinician (experienced NCAA D1) said that it should not count.
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 11:13am
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Thanks to all. This was a situation that came up at a NCAA camp this weekend. I thought that it should count. The clinician (experienced NCAA D1) said that it should not count.
Then that clinician did not bother to read any of the NCAA memos which came out last season...if the shooter has started their motion (ball does not have to have left their hand), and a teammate commits a team control foul - the basket will still count...(uhmmm, only speaking for NCAAW here)
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 11:46am
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if the shooter has started their motion (ball does not have to have left their hand), and a teammate commits a team control foul - the basket will still count...(uhmmm, only speaking for NCAAW here)
Really, rocky?!?! Shooter jumps, teammate fouls, shooter releases, ball goes in, and you're going to count it?
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if the shooter has started their motion (ball does not have to have left their hand), and a teammate commits a team control foul - the basket will still count...(uhmmm, only speaking for NCAAW here)
Really, rocky?!?! Shooter jumps, teammate fouls, shooter releases, ball goes in, and you're going to count it?
According to the memo we received in Jan., that is the correct intrepretation...I don't makes the "rules", I just calls them...

Unfortunately, I sometimes don't reads them very well!!! Just went back and reread the memo - it applies to a DEFENSIVE foul on someone besides the shooter... does not apply to a team control foul...thanks for keeping me honest, Chuck!!

[Edited by rockyroad on Jun 16th, 2004 at 03:14 PM]
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if the shooter has started their motion (ball does not have to have left their hand), and a teammate commits a team control foul - the basket will still count...(uhmmm, only speaking for NCAAW here)
Really, rocky?!?! Shooter jumps, teammate fouls, shooter releases, ball goes in, and you're going to count it?
According to the memo we received in Jan., that is the correct intrepretation...I don't makes the "rules", I just calls them...

Unfortunately, I sometimes don't reads them very well!!! Just went back and reread the memo - it applies to a DEFENSIVE foul on someone besides the shooter... does not apply to a team control foul...thanks for keeping me honest, Chuck!!

[Edited by rockyroad on Jun 16th, 2004 at 03:14 PM]
So thinking back quickly over the season, how many wrong calls did you make? Or is this not a reading issue, but just a senior moment?
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Old Wed Jun 16, 2004, 04:47pm
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As it turns out, none!!! But I will be having a little chat with the evaluator who wrote me up for doing it wrong - when I actually did it right...A3 was shooting and A5 levelled B5 in front of me at C...called the foul, waved off basket (ball was still in shooter's hands) and got reamed for it...turns out i was right...
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Unfortunately, I sometimes don't reads them very well!!! Just went back and reread the memo - it applies to a DEFENSIVE foul on someone besides the shooter... does not apply to a team control foul.
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So thinking back quickly over the season, how many wrong calls did you make? Or is this not a reading issue, but just a senior moment?
[/B][/QUOTE]Great choices she's giving you, Rocky. You've either screwed up calls, you can't read, or your minds going because you're old. Which door ya picking?
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Unfortunately, I sometimes don't reads them very well!!! Just went back and reread the memo - it applies to a DEFENSIVE foul on someone besides the shooter... does not apply to a team control foul.
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So thinking back quickly over the season, how many wrong calls did you make? Or is this not a reading issue, but just a senior moment?
[/B][/QUOTE]Great choices she's giving you, Rocky. You've either screwed up calls, you can't read, or your minds going because you're old. Which door ya picking? [/B][/QUOTE]

#4!! Great choice, DJ!!
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Whew...got out of that one pretty slick, didn't I JR???
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Unfortunately, I sometimes don't reads them very well!!! Just went back and reread the memo - it applies to a DEFENSIVE foul on someone besides the shooter... does not apply to a team control foul.
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So thinking back quickly over the season, how many wrong calls did you make? Or is this not a reading issue, but just a senior moment?
[/B][/QUOTE]Great choices she's giving you, Rocky. You've either screwed up calls, you can't read, or your minds going because you're old. Which door ya picking? [/B][/QUOTE]

Could be she's saying he's a racist because he's old?

Ever consider that possibility...?

Just sayin'...
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