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[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Show me the rule that supports your position? Have fun looking for that reference OK.

Peace

Show me the rule supporting your position? I may have missed the 'When a preliminary is really a preliminary' section.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Show me the rule supporting your position? I may have missed the 'When a preliminary is really a preliminary' section.

We have already given the rule many times and the casebook is very clear in the NF books. And there is absolutely no position or interpretation at the NF level that suggest any gesture or movement that looks like a signal is considered block or a charge. We have actually discussed this so much on this site if you do a search you will find all the references. Honestly I am not trying to prove anything to you, you do what makes you happy. I just know what I am going to do or consider a signal.

Peace

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We have already given the rule many times and the casebook is very clear in the NF books. And there is absolutely no position or interpretation at the NF level that suggest any gesture or movement that looks like a signal is considered block or a charge. We have actually discussed this so much on this site if you do a search you will find all the references. Honestly I am not trying to prove anything to you, you do what makes you happy. I just know what I am going to do or consider a signal.

Peace

I try to do what makes my Supervisor happy!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I try to do what makes my Supervisor happy!

Good. And since I have several of them and a state organization I answer to on two different fronts, I do not see anyone from those positions telling me that this situation would result in a double foul. We all have different masters to answer to.

Peace

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Good. And since I have several of them and a state organization I answer to on two different fronts, I do not see anyone from those positions telling me that this situation would result in a double foul. We all have different masters to answer to.

Peace

One of mine would say 'That will learn you to give a preliminary'. Another would say 'Get together and figure it out'

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Show me the rule supporting your position? I may have missed the 'When a preliminary is really a preliminary' section.

You won't find it which makes it a situation that falls to the discretion of the crew working that particular day in that particular game.

[icallfouls]

I think it is safe to say that we all have seen or been involved in a B/C play where 2 officials have different calls. Neither has given a preliminary, there is a 50/50 chance for either call and one official takes the call. They report the charge. The coach says to the other you official "you had a block, tell him."

In this case the L official yields to the T official, therefore it was never a Blarge. That is what happened here.

The only people who are discussing it at all are OFFICIALS, because the actions are TYPICAL - not 100% - of calling a block. No one (media, fans, teams) is complaining that the call should've been because it looked like the L was going to call something else. It is likely the coaches, players, and a hand full of fans noticed. But I can tell you just as many don't know they had different calls. Just ask my parents, sisters, brother-in-laws, wife and kids and the others at Buffalo Wild Wings that had no clue.

When it comes to their evaluations the L did not receive an ICC and the T got a CC.

[cmb]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

I think it is safe to say that we all have seen or been involved in a B/C play where 2 officials have different calls. Neither has given a preliminary, there is a 50/50 chance for either call and one official takes the call. They report the charge. The coach says to the other you official "you had a block, tell him."

In this case the L official yields to the T official, therefore it was never a Blarge. That is what happened here.

The only people who are discussing it at all are OFFICIALS, because the actions are TYPICAL - not 100% - of calling a block. No one (media, fans, teams) is complaining that the call should've been because it looked like the L was going to call something else. It is likely the coaches, players, and a hand full of fans noticed. But I can tell you just as many don't know they had different calls. Just ask my parents, sisters, brother-in-laws, wife and kids and the others at Buffalo Wild Wings that had no clue.

When it comes to their evaluations the L did not receive an ICC and the T got a CC.

Well the commentators picked up on it right away, so your family became aware of it even if they didn't know right away.

[cmb]

WOW! This exact same play just happened again in the Wichita St./Gonzaga game somewhere in the 6:xx mark of the game. John Higgins (L) comes up with two hands (fists) as Mike Stuart (C) is sending it the other way. It's an epidemic!

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by cmb

WOW! This exact same play just happened again in the Wichita St./Gonzaga game somewhere in the 6:xx mark of the game. John Higgins (L) comes up with two hands (fists) as Mike Stuart (C) is sending it the other way. It's an epidemic!

Good communication prevented another Blarge. Apparently Stuart and Higgins don't consider 2 hands up a preliminary for a Block, otherwise they would have gone with the double foul. I think we are in good company.

[junruh07]

I am also pretty sure that Mike Stuart is on the Butler-Marquette game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Good communication prevented another Blarge. Apparently Stuart and Higgins don't consider 2 hands up a preliminary for a Block, otherwise they would have gone with the double foul. I think we are in good company.

As I said before, only on this board is this even a discussion.

Peace

[junruh07]

There was another one with 6:20 to go in the first half of the WSU-Gonzaga game. They wen't with PC, but I couldn't really see if that was right or not.