Louisville / NCAT video request (added)

[Rich]

Charge called at 8:14, 1st half. I'm guessing when the L sees this, he'll wish he had it over again. 2 feet down, but the upper body seems to be still sliding forward.

[Rich]

While we're at it, the backcourt violation called at 7:46, 1st half.

[APG]

[KMBReferee]

Yeah both were bad decisions. No LGP on the block/charge in the first vid. On the 2nd one the trail should have called the foul when the defender knocked the player into the backcourt.

[Raymond]

1st play: Should have been a block but it wasn't the worst call I've ever seen. Sometimes we get 'em wrong.

2nd play: Should have been a foul. But it wasn't even a BC violation, no part of A1 was in the backcourt when he regained possession.

[Indianaref]

Play 1 should have been a "no call" & Play 2 should be a foul, but no B/C violation, maybe hard to see this from the position the new trail is, but, the heel does not touch in the backcourt.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

Yeah both were bad decisions. No LGP on the block/charge in the first vid. On the 2nd one the trail should have called the foul when the defender knocked the player into the backcourt.

Yep -- the foul caused an illegal dribble, and then I don't have the ball ever reaching the BC (but this part is very close).

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1st play: Should have been a block but it wasn't the worst call I've ever seen. Sometimes we get 'em wrong.

Yes, looking at it a second time, this should have been a block. And, Yes we sometimes get 'em wrong.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep -- the foul caused an illegal dribble, and then I don't have the ball ever reaching the BC (but this part is very close).

I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

yes, that's the part I saw. Just misspoke.

[Toren]

Play 2 has a lot going on. Looks like a foul. However, if we pass on the foul, two things come to mind. If the ball leaving the offensive players hand is the start of a dribble, then we have a travel.

If the offensive player loses control of the ball and the ball hitting the ground is not the start of a dribble, he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball. Team control maintained throughout...backcourt violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball.

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

It's close, I see back foot touching in backcourt at time of touching of the ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1st play: Should have been a block but it wasn't the worst call I've ever seen. Sometimes we get 'em wrong.

2nd play: Should have been a foul. But it wasn't even a BC violation, no part of A1 was in the backcourt when he regained possession.

On the first one, I think the L was still moving and picked up the defender late. When that happens, we tend to go with the charge. I'm not ripping the guy, I just am looking at this to see what I can learn from it.

[Blindolbat]

I'm pretty sure that none of us would have got that backcourt violation call correct. Even as I stop the play when the ball touches the hand it is nearly impossible to tell if that back foot is still on the ground or not.