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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think a lot of this is what the players think they are supposed to do, not necessarily what they are told to do by the officials.

Sometimes, the officials tell them this. And, sometimes, it's said by officials who should know better.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sometimes, the officials tell them this. And, sometimes, it's said by officials who should know better.

Yep

[HokiePaul]

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

May be paraphrasing ... but the idea was to get people to move out of the lane before a 3 second call must be made on a play where no real advantage is being gained ...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

I don't say that, even. "Keep moving" is the farthest I'll go.

I called four 3-second violations all season. My regular partner called none. He leaves the ones that need to be gotten to me.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't say that, even. "Keep moving" is the farthest I'll go.

I called four 3-second violations all season. My regular partner called none. He leaves the ones that need to be gotten to me.

Same here with the "keep moving." "Stay out" might be taken literally by some kids and no, I'm not kidding.

Had an example of a kid in a GV game yesterday taking things too literally. I told her coach to remind the girl to leave the ball alone after her team scores. She tells the girl, "don't touch the ball after a basket."...then the next time the opponent scores, the girl runs away from the ball like it's on fire.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

Wow. I have either seen officials tell players to do this or have seen players do this on their own every time. So I assumed it was in the rules.

I'll know better next time I broadcast a game. This is why I love this board. Thanks.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

Wow. I have either seen officials tell players to do this or have seen players do this on their own every time. So I assumed it was in the rules.

I'll know better next time I broadcast a game. This is why I love this board. Thanks.

Restrictions (NFHS, NCAA) are the same as they are for anyone who isn't on the lane at any other time: outside the three-point arc and above the FTLE.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

I had a lenghty discussion with Senior/State caliber official who always says "Hold your spots". I guess he wins. He is doing State games. not me.

[ILRef80]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

This is right up there with "speaking captains" for me. Each of these traditions really need to stop.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Restrictions (NFHS, NCAA) are the same as they are for anyone who isn't on the lane at any other time: outside the three-point arc and above the FTLE.

Same in the NBA...and you'll actually see that the players know this as well.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Since their position behind the division line during tech/int foul FT's is legal, what would you say? "You don't have to go that far..."

[BillyMac]

Toss a coin, or give the damn ball to the visitors.

Back when we were tossing jump balls several times a game, in three different circles, all of us knew the jump ball rules as well as any other part of the rulebook: before the toss, during the toss, after the tap, on the circle, off the circle, jumpers, non-jumpers, etc. Coaches had set jump ball plays, defensive jumps, offensive jumps, jumps near their basket, jumps near their opponent's basket, etc., and the coaches taught the jump ball rules to their players. Officials used to practice their tossing techniques.

Now, once a game, the tallest players on each team square off against each other, the referee tries to make a decent toss, and the umpire just hopes that nothing "weird" happens because many of us, including me, don't know the jump balls rules as well as we knew them years ago. That's why we have the various myths, like "Hold your spots". I haven't seen a tough jump ball question on an IAABO Refresher Exam in years, that's gotta tell you something.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by maven

Since their position behind the division line during tech/int foul FT's is legal, what would you say? "You don't have to go that far..."

I think he meant say anything to his partners.

[Rob1968]

I was told, years ago, to not let the players, around the circle, stand with a foot behind an opponent.
Also, several of the High Schools in our area have a decorative circle surrounding the Center Circle, that is about 18 inches wide. It's common for the non-jumpers to stay behind that circle, rather than approaching the actual 6' radius circle. I usually tell them they can stand at the actual circle.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I was told, years ago, to not let the players, around the circle, stand with a foot behind an opponent.

That's correct. It's only a requirement, though, if they are within 3' of the circle. I think the OP was talking about players farther away than that.

Also, several of the High Schools in our area have a decorative circle surrounding the Center Circle, that is about 18 inches wide. It's common for the non-jumpers to stay behind that circle, rather than approaching the actual 6' radius circle. I usually tell them they can stand at the actual circle.

I wouldn't tell them this. I would answer if asked.