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JetMetFan Thu Mar 07, 2013 08:54am

Side by side...
 
I'm sure there have been strings on this in the past but...

Let's find the person who started the myth that opponents away from the restraining circle during a jump ball have to stand side-by-side and throw stuff at them. I think I've seen officials make kids move in every online h.s. game I've watched in the past month as well as most I've seen in person. :mad:

Welpe Thu Mar 07, 2013 08:55am

Wow I can't say I've ever run into that one.

JetMetFan Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:23am

I actually see it a lot in my neck of the woods. The R will look at A2 next to B2 10-20 feet away from the circle before the toss and tell them they have to be side-by-side. Drives me nuts.

maven Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:28am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 883439)
I actually see it a lot in my neck of the woods. The R will look at A2 next to B2 10-20 feet away from the circle before the toss and tell them they have to be side-by-side. Drives me nuts.

Never seen nor heard of that one.

Indianaref Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:59am

Not around here.

letemplay Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:49am

Had a ref tell a player (non-jumper) he could not straddle the midcourt stripe during the toss. Had to be one side or the other:confused:

fullor30 Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:13am

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 883456)
Had a ref tell a player (non-jumper) he could not straddle the midcourt stripe during the toss. Had to be one side or the other:confused:

Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

Bad Zebra Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 883436)
Let's find the person who started the myth that opponents away from the restraining circle during a jump ball have to stand side-by-side and throw stuff at them...

Must be a regional thing. I've never seen or heard anything like that before.

Scuba_ref Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 883459)
Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line


This one drives me crazy. I have had discussions with our most senior officials about this error.

BayStateRef Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:37pm

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Rich Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 883491)
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

JRutledge Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 883459)
Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

I think a lot of this is what the players think they are supposed to do, not necessarily what they are told to do by the officials. I had an intentional foul last night and we sent players off the line, they all went to the division line on their own. The only time I might say anything to them at all is when they want to talk to the coach on the end where we are shooting the FTs as I would not like the to be in violation of where they stand and cause an unnecessary FT violation.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Mar 07, 2013 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 883491)
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 883493)
That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.

HokiePaul Thu Mar 07, 2013 02:14pm

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BayStateRef
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.
I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

Adam Thu Mar 07, 2013 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 883521)
I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.


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