I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and don't get me to finish it (says a retired teacher, with three college degrees, who had to work second, and third, jobs for over twenty years to move into the middle class, purchase a moderately sized home (2000 square feet) with a thirty year mortgage, that I'm still paying off, and who is always paying off four year car loans on two moderately priced cars that the family keeps for eight years, and then don't get me started on working at home at night, on weekends, and during non-paid vacations, and non-paid holidays, yeah, that's right, at least here in Connecticut, teachers don't get paid for vacations, and holidays). Can you tell that I wasn't an English teacher?

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

Move here. I've seen the checks at some schools and they were bigger than mine.

And why is it that teachers get first crack at these scorer/timer gigs, anyway? Scorers and timers are supposed to be officials according to the NFHS -- why aren't those positions filled in the same way as officiating slots?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

Move here. I've seen the checks at some schools and they were bigger than mine.

Drivers Ed in Illinois 140,000

Retire on 80% of that with guaranteed
3% increase every year

Cry me an ocean

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

[Brad]

Just watched the video and have not read the other comments yet*—*wanted to throw in my unsolicited feedback first

I don't know about the rest of the game or how it was officiated. The no call isn't the worst in the world ... yes, it is probably a foul, but it wasn't ridiculously awful and I can understand having a patient whistle here and passing on it.

SIX assistant coaches is beyond ridiculous. If this trend continues I can imagine the NFHS or state associations putting a rule in about it ... of course, the rules committees are generally run by coaches, so probably not.

Anyway, on to the technical foul... We don't see it, but I am assuming it was well deserved since there are at least a couple of others that *could* have been well deserved in the video that we DO see. The administration of the technical foul, however, was poor and the officials did several things that caused them more grief and trouble than necessary.

1) The best thing you can do after a technical foul is to shoot the shots and get the ball back in play as quickly as possible (without being so quick that you mess something up). Once the ball is back in play, the coaches will (most likely) go back to coaching. The entire time you are administering the technical foul shots they have nothing to do but say something to you, complain further, etc.

2) Since this technical will be administered at the beginning of the 4th quarter, we have an extended time period directly following it. That is out of our control. What is in our control, though, is where we spend that time —*which should be on the opposite side of the court from the coaches. Do not go over there. Do not engage. Do not explain. Get away!!

3) The officials engage the head coach and many of the assistants —*there is no reason for this. Talk to the head coach. Let him know you will talk to him and ask him to have his assistants sit down. There is no reason to argue with any of the assistant coaches —*especially when there are 6 assistants!!! You are in a losing battle.

4) Demeanor goes a long way. If you are standing 3-4 feet from a coach it isn't necessary to make hand gestures*—*like wiggling your finger in the air in admonishment, or leaning towards the coach with a stop sign signal.

Also, if there is an issue with the assistant coaches standing you should tell the head coach and ask him to have his assistants sit down. Waving your finger/hand down and yelling "Sit down!" across the court is adversarial and unnecessary. If you ask the coach to have his assistants sit down, he will then turn and ask the assistants to sit —*the request is coming from the coach not you, which makes a difference. You should see a better result —*and if you don't, you can assess a technical foul as necessary and the head coach has no excuse or complaint, since he was informed about it by you earlier.

Look at the demeanor of the officials in the screen caps below and ask yourself what message it communicates.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

the officials don't seem to lose composure.

True, but they don't have things under control either.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Do you think they coulda used a third in these clips?

Well, in the first play, the same guy would have been trail and had the play right in front of him in his primary!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Brad

Well, in the first play, the same guy would have been trail and had the play right in front of him in his primary!

Film don't lie.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Tim C

All 3 person crew does is cover for lazy officials.

I wish I had a "Trolltastic" award to give you for that comment. Nice work.

Originally Posted by Tim C

let's work four person crews so we really cover anything . . . how about five person crews with a person just managing the bench area.

There are some NCAA and NBA games where a 4th official could help in certain situations!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Tio

This is why you stay away from benches. There is absolutely no excuse for this much dialog.

"Coach, maybe I missed the play." Then walk away from the situation.

If you haven't called a technical foul you can say this.

If you call a tech, just get away quickly and silently.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Rich

The same schools that can't afford a third official sure seem to have new uniforms all the time. It's priorities. We're not near the top of the list.

An wise official once told me that we are the "janitors" of sports.

And no one gives a s**t about their trash until it isn't taken out.

Officiating is never going to be at the top of the priority list when it comes to athletics. We're lucky if we are on the list!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Brad

An wise official once told me that we are the "janitors" of sports.

And no one gives a s**t about their trash until it isn't taken out.

Officiating is never going to be at the top of the priority list when it comes to athletics. We're lucky if we are on the list!

I'm aware of that. And really I'm winking when I say what I've said the past few posts. I expect nothing to change.

Just expect that I'll probably give a big old eye roll, Mr. Athletic Director, when you complain about not having any money for us. I know the truth. In the end, it's a choice. Fueled to a large degree by supply and demand.

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

That's why I ref now . That, and I love basketball, kids, and a bit of exercise. Also have a great partner, another greedy school teacher. Our conference is smaller that's probably why the pay is lower, but I worked those games to support my students not to make a million.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Retire on 80% of that with guaranteed 3% increase every year.

Maximum 70%, based on a formula combining age, service and the average of the highest three years of paid salary, here in Connecticut, with no Social Security benefits based on my teaching career, and I paid 7.25% of my salary into the retirement fund every year for almost thirty-five years. I had absolutely no control over how my money that I contributed into my pension fund was invested. It's not a "guaranteed 3% increase every year", is a cost of living adjustment based on the annual inflation rate, with no increase two of the past four years.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Regarding the excuse of not enough money for three man crews, ever look around a game and notice how many staff bodies there are from schools who act as whatever?

I think it's safe to say they could cut back on the 8,9,10 + folks who I'm sure are making at least if not more than we are.

Elimanate one, and you have a three man crew.

A lot of those people aren't necessarily being paid. I work at a high school and I went to several games after my season was done. It probably looked like I was "supervising" when I was really just standing there.

Originally Posted by Rich

Heresy! Eliminate one of those make work jobs for teachers?

They'd sooner eliminate us entirely.

Originally Posted by Adam

I think he's talking about the extra money they're spending for the overtime for each of those teachers "working" at the game; not actually firing teachers but giving them a bit less overtime to sit in the corner of the gym during the basketball game.

Around here, no one supervising or working the table makes anywhere close to what officials make. It's something like $30-40 for the whole night. Not exactly living high on the hog.

Originally Posted by Rich

Exactly. Or maybe stop paying teachers keeping the book more than they pay the game officials.

Instead, they'll have 8 teachers there drawing pay and maybe an off duty cop or two but when it comes to a third official there's no money. Cry me a river.

Eight teachers all making more than the officials? Really?

Originally Posted by fullor30

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate.