I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

A lot of those people aren't necessarily being paid. I work at a high school and I went to several games after my season was done. It probably looked like I was "supervising" when I was really just standing there.





Around here, no one supervising or working the table makes anywhere close to what officials make. It's something like $30-40 for the whole night. Not exactly living high on the hog.



Eight teachers all making more than the officials? Really?



You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate.

This is probably a very local issue, but yes in this area there are teachers and "volunteers" getting paid more than the game officials to either work the table or to be on the chain gang. Yes that is widely known here. There is also a problem because some local teacher's unions and their contract with the local school district made it where union members were to work these positions and get paid to do so.

And yes no one forces us to do anything, but then those should not complain when they get people with ulterior motives when they take a game other than what they want to "think" we should be taking games for. And then cry poor when we want more officials for a contest or raise the pay to cover costs to work the game. It is often here expected for officials to travel from certain distances, but then they have not changed the pay scale and then complain that the game is not "safe" for the players. Last time I checked the table people did not directly make the playing environment safer.

Peace

[BillyMac]

(He hasn't posted since August 30, 2012.)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Last time I checked the table people did not directly make the playing environment safer.

Sounds like a job for the "Eagle".

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by Brad

Well, in the first play, the same guy would have been trail and had the play right in front of him in his primary!

Probably would have been trail opposite table with the C having the play in front of him. That trail official would have had a good look at that one even from that position though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The officials don't seem to lose composure.

Originally Posted by Brad

True, but they don't have things under control either.

Are either of these officials old enough to drink? Are either of these officials old enough to shave? I bet that I have underwear older than these two kids.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by zm1283

A lot of those people aren't necessarily being paid. I work at a high school and I went to several games after my season was done. It probably looked like I was "supervising" when I was really just standing there.





Around here, no one supervising or working the table makes anywhere close to what officials make. It's something like $30-40 for the whole night. Not exactly living high on the hog.



Eight teachers all making more than the officials? Really?



You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate.

You're missing the point which is schools are free with paying extras to hang around and yet have no funds for a third official.

[26 Year Gap]

I don't disagree that there is little additional overhead for a third official. Assuming 10 home games and even a slightly reduced rate (We generally are paid $5 less for 3 person crews), a school would have about a $500 added expense for the season. Per gender. Here in FL, I rarely call games with 2 on the crew at the varsity level. Last year, the school district experimented with cutting back to 3 mandatory games with 3 on the crew per gender. Back to normal this year.

The crowds, if you can call them that, are very small at many gyms. Especially, at girls games. However, I notice sponsor banners or signs in every gym, so I suspect that funds are available, but it is how they are spent that is the big issue. I hope at the subject school, that most of those "assistants" (who I suspect are assisting because their kid is on the team and they push for PT at every opportunity) are UNPAID. And even at that, most of them are OVERPAID.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by fullor30

You're missing the point which is schools are free with paying extras to hang around and yet have no funds for a third official.

No, I get the point clearly. I'm saying that in most places they don't just pay 10 people to stand around and do nothing. (And like I said, even if there are people standing around, MOST of the time you have no idea who is getting paid and who isn't) I also contend that in most places the table workers, supervisors, gate workers, etc. are not paid more than the officials. If they are in some places, that is the exception and not the rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

No, I get the point clearly. I'm saying that in most places they don't just pay 10 people to stand around and do nothing. (And like I said, even if there are people standing around, MOST of the time you have no idea who is getting paid and who isn't) I also contend that in most places the table workers, supervisors, gate workers, etc. are not paid more than the officials. If they are in some places, that is the exception and not the rule.

I don't know about that. One of my daughter's friends gets $50/game to keep score at lower level football games. Who knows what they pay the varsity scorekeepers.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by SAJ

Probably would have been trail opposite table with the C having the play in front of him. That trail official would have had a good look at that one even from that position though.

He was trail coming up the floor, the ball was on his side as it crossed the half-court line, and remained on his side of the floor until the illegal screen. Don't think there would be any reason for a rotation.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by zm1283

No, I get the point clearly. I'm saying that in most places they don't just pay 10 people to stand around and do nothing. (And like I said, even if there are people standing around, MOST of the time you have no idea who is getting paid and who isn't) I also contend that in most places the table workers, supervisors, gate workers, etc. are not paid more than the officials. If they are in some places, that is the exception and not the rule.

"You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate. "

The above says you don't get the point.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't know about that. One of my daughter's friends gets $50/game to keep score at lower level football games. Who knows what they pay the varsity scorekeepers.

Bingo.......quite secure in saying most additional 'help' are on par or close to ref pay, which is fine, just cut a little 'pork' and you have the real thing as far as officiating.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Bingo.......quite secure in saying most additional 'help' are on par or close to ref pay, which is fine, just cut a little 'pork' and you have the real thing as far as officiating.

And then have no scorekeeper or clock operator, or not enough management on site in case anything goes wrong...or do you for some reason think that all those people should just volunteer their time?

Fwiw, around here the schools do not pay teachers extra for doing this stuff. There are paid security personnel, but they are not teachers. Teachers are "paid" by being given season passes for volunteering at a certain number of after school activities.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And then have no scorekeeper or clock operator, or not enough management on site in case anything goes wrong...or do you for some reason think that all those people should just volunteer their time?

Fwiw, around here the schools do not pay teachers extra for doing this stuff. There are paid security personnel, but they are not teachers. Teachers are "paid" by being given season passes for volunteering at a certain number of after school activities.

I think the issue is not whether you pay them, but that you pay people that are really under the wing of the officials, then pay those individuals more than the people you claim are so essential to the game. Now I have seen people out of the stands volunteer to work the table and often at youth tournaments that is exactly what they do. And not all those people are teachers. Many times they are parents or some person that was once close to the program or retired people and still go to games and give back to their school. If officials do not show up, they move the entire game or only play until the first guy they call shows up with a license. Then they claim we have to do all these other things to keep the kids safe. You do not pay the flight attendant more money than you do the pilot.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Broadcasting, not officiating. Should be fun...

By the way, how did the game go?

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by Brad

He was trail coming up the floor, the ball was on his side as it crossed the half-court line, and remained on his side of the floor until the illegal screen. Don't think there would be any reason for a rotation.

I agree with how it played out on film, however, if it were 3man the T would be on L side, thus opposite table. The lead may have rotated over before the play started so you may still be correct.