VC coaching in stands...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with
a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and
statistician(s).

Yes, but they don't sit in the stands.

They sit on the bench or right behind the bench depending on the school or at the scorers table.

They aren't on the other end of the gym, or across the court, or in the bleachers, or the hallway, in a car, at home watching the game on tv.

Using that citation you are stretching the rule to a limit that IMO is not going to hold up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes, but they don't sit in the stands.

Agree, but the definition doesn't say that.

If a basketball coach of the program that I'm officiating a game for is sitting in the stands and coaching and giving me some grief, I hope that the rules would allow me to treat him a little bit differently than a regular fan that is sitting in the stands and giving me some grief. I can ignore unruly fans, or have them removed for outrageous action. Coaches should be held to a higher standard than that, and I don't think that they should be ignored like we often do with fans.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree, but the definition doesn't say that.

If a basketball coach of the program that I'm officiating a game for is sitting in the stands and coaching and giving me some grief, I hope that the rules would allow me to treat him a little bit differently than a regular fan that is sitting in the stands and giving me some grief. I can ignore unruly fans, or have them removed for outrageous action. Coaches should be held to a higher standard than that, and I don't think that they should be ignored like we often do with fans.

Why should coaches be held to a higher standard? If you think that then you believe that everyone involved in youth sports is in it only for the kids.

Ideally I would like to agree with you but in reality that's just not practical. The only people I consider coaches during a game I work are the ones on the bench.


Plus I'm not sure what the rules are but you toss someone from the facility they usually cannot return for the remainder of the day. If I had a varsity game and the JV guys before me tell me they tossed someone from the stands and it turned out to be the HC I would be inclined to not allow him back in the facility.

My reasoning would be that if it were NOT the HC that person would not be allowed back in, so why should things change because the HC decided to act like an A$$.

Generally where I have worked SoCal, if someone is removed from the facility they cannot return for at least 24 hours.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

Why should coaches be held to a higher standard?

A coach, who coached the 4:00 p.m. freshman game, hangs around and watches my varsity game, and yells at me, yells things that would have earned him a technical foul, maybe even an early shower, in his freshman game, but things that would not normally, or usually, get him thrown out of the gymnasium as a "regular" fan. I can't imagine my assigner, his athletic director, his school principal, or our state interscholastic sports governing body, not wanting to somehow deal with that coach. All these people, in my opinion, would hold him to a higher standard, I'm just not sure that the NFHS, and the officials that officiate under those rules, would, or should, hold him to the higher standard as well.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A coach, who coached the 4:00 p.m. freshman game, hangs around and watches my varsity game, and yells at me, yells things that would have earned him a technical foul, maybe even an early shower, in his freshman game, but things that would not normally, or usually, get him thrown out of the gymnasium as a "regular" fan. I can't imagine my assigner, his athletic director, his school principal, or our state interscholastic sports governing body, not wanting to somehow deal with that coach. All these people, in my opinion, would hold him to a higher standard, I'm just not sure that the NFHS, and the officials that officiate under those rules, would, or should, hold him to the higher standard as well.

I would inform their AD and my assignor of this and let them adjudicate penaltie(s). I will not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

I would inform their AD and my assignor of this and let them adjudicate penaltie(s).

So you inform your assigner, and the athletic director, whenever a fan yells at you, but not something so outrageous that he is asked to leave the facility? Sounds like a higher standard to me.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So you inform your assigner, and the athletic director, whenever a fan yells at you, but not something so outrageous that he is asked to leave the facility? Sounds like a higher standard to me.

No I do not and I wouldn't care for a coach either. I was responding to your post. You want to deal with this yourself and I am saying I would not touch it. If I were to touch it I would do it how I said I would.

But I don't care. He's a fan. I will remember his chicken sh1t antics and if I get him again he won't be given much rope before I let him know I've heard enough. But if a coach was really that under my skin I would sooner recuse myself of his game than have my objectivity clouded.