Neither jumper jumps

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip (Team A) and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team [b](Team B)[b] has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...

Using my designations above...
Why wouldn't/couldn't Team B just have their jumper tip the ball to a Team A player to avoid "playing into that game"?

Not that we can tell the players what to do, of course...

[Thumper68]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Call 2 new players in for the face-off.

This gets my vote!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Yeah, but they'd be pretty motivated to jump, wouldn't they? Nobody wants to pick up his/her 2nd technical before the game even gets going.

I don't buy this as a player technical, BTW, unless we're calling that for disobeying a directive of an official...

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Call 2 new players in for the face-off.

Ensure you make the linesman ejection from the faceoff spot point, too.

I think a Double T on both jumpers would convince somebody to jump.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Ensure you make the linesman ejection from the faceoff spot point, too.

I think a Double T on both jumpers would convince somebody to jump.

And pi$$ off both coaches. You may even get to follow it with simultaneous Ts on both coaches. 2 team fouls each, no shots, rejump, and seatbelts for everyone.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't buy this as a player technical, BTW, unless we're calling that for disobeying a directive of an official...

I'm not sure what other reason you'd be calling a technical. Charging it to the player ensures a way out of the problem. Either someone's going to jump or the team with the fewest players is going to forfeit.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't buy this as a player technical, BTW, unless we're calling that for disobeying a directive of an official...

10-3-5-a???

"A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play."

So once we toss and they don't jump, we readminister and direct them both to jump...if they still won't jump, it seems like that falls under 10-3-5, no?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

And pi$$ off both coaches.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't buy this as a player technical, BTW, unless we're calling that for disobeying a directive of an official...

That's exactly what it's for. If you don't like it (and I can see not liking it...)

What would your solution be?

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Rich

Question asked by a local official:

Suppose neither jumper jumps during the opening toss. The NOTE after 6-3-8 says that the jumpers will be ordered to jump if neither do. Suppose neither jump after being ordered to do so. What recourse does the R have?

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...

Not understanding why "this scenario is possible in a postseason game", anymore so than any other game??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Not understanding why "this scenario is possible in a postseason game", anymore so than any other game??

Only because of the specifics of the two teams. Could have happened in the regular season, too, if the teams had played each other (and if the coach of the jumping team decided not to play.)

Personally, I like the coaching decision of having your jumper tip the ball directly to the opponent, or out of bounds, or just have him grab it.

Even better, if the jump is uncontested, that gives you more latitude to set up a play allowing you to tap it into your front court.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Adam

Even better, if the jump is uncontested, that gives you more latitude to set up a play allowing you to tap it into your front court.

Heck, have a player head toward your basket and hit it all the way down the court for an uncontested layup!

When I coached, we had a play where A1 taps it back to A2 on the cirlce, who immediately baseball throws it to a breaking A3 for a layup (ok, these kids were 13), but it worked almost every time we won the tap and took all of 5-6 secs.

[letemplay]

Still, if the whole point of the trap is to ultimately gain possesion of the ball, why not tell a non-jumper to wait until it hits one of the jumpers and then grab it (I'm guessing if both coaches have told their jumpers not to jump, the others are not in a hurry to do anything either) That's why I said earlier, if I see this once (tossed it and neither jumped) the retoss is going up and over on one of them and my U better not blow it back.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Still, if the whole point of the trap is to ultimately gain possesion of the ball, why not tell a non-jumper to wait until it hits one of the jumpers and then grab it (I'm guessing if both coaches have told their jumpers not to jump, the others are not in a hurry to do anything either) That's why I said earlier, if I see this once (tossed it and neither jumped) the retoss is going up and over on one of them and my U better not blow it back.

Because they want the ball AND the arrow.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Rich

Because they want the ball AND the arrow.

aha...yes I hear it's quite popular these days