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Rich Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:35am

Neither jumper jumps
 
Question asked by a local official:

Suppose neither jumper jumps during the opening toss. The NOTE after 6-3-8 says that the jumpers will be ordered to jump if neither do. Suppose neither jump after being ordered to do so. What recourse does the R have?

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...

Scrapper1 Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:44am

Double player technicals?

letemplay Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:52am

To start a game?? Even if this is OT, what kind of strange stategy is this? How about rather than I toss it between you two, I'll just throw it off one of you and then see what happens:eek:

rockyroad Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:52am

Coin toss?

Oh wait, that's already been proposed.

APG Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:56am

Bat the ball off of one of the players ;)

Mark Padgett Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:03pm

When you toss the ball and it comes down on the floor, grab it and go make a layup. Tell them you're going to continue to do this until they jump. Either they'll jump the next time, or you'll win the game!

Seriously though, does this fall under "actionless contest"?

Rich Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 880647)
Double player technicals?

That would be interesting, but we'd still have a jump ball afterwards.

grunewar Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:05pm

I was thinking more 10-1, Art 5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 880647)
Double player technicals?

Team Technicals:

Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or
from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play
procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The
procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific
situations.

Of course, as Rich points out, if you do this, now what?

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 880662)
Team Technicals:

Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or
from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play
procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The
procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific
situations.

Of course, as Rich points out, if you do this, now what?

Jump again. Double T again if you have to. Is this T indirect to the coach? 3 of those, and we have new head coaches, right?

APG Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 880667)
Jump again. Double T again if you have to. Is this T indirect to the coach? 3 of those, and we have new head coaches, right?

Nope no indirects

johnny d Wed Feb 20, 2013 01:19pm

After you get tired of throwing the ball without anyone jumping, just call a violation on one of the non-jumpers, award the other team the ball, and set the arrow that way. Even if you have to make up a violation it will work, the coaches dont have any idea what is or isnt a violation during the jump ball.:D

Adam Wed Feb 20, 2013 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 880675)
After you get tired of throwing the ball without anyone jumping, just call a violation on one of the non-jumpers, award the other team the ball, and set the arrow that way. Even if you have to make up a violation it will work, the coaches dont have any idea what is or isnt a violation during the jump ball.:D

Funny.

Rich Wed Feb 20, 2013 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 880680)
Funny.

And true (and therefore sad) at the same time.

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I spent a wasted few minutes trying to explain to a partner why yelling out "hold your spots" to all the nonjumpers was not a smart thing to do.

He thinks I'm an idiot, I'm guessing.

Raymond Wed Feb 20, 2013 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 880634)
Question asked by a local official:

Suppose neither jumper jumps during the opening toss. The NOTE after 6-3-8 says that the jumpers will be ordered to jump if neither do. Suppose neither jump after being ordered to do so. What recourse does the R have?

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...

Call 2 new players in for the face-off.

Scrapper1 Wed Feb 20, 2013 01:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 880647)
Double player technicals?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 880661)
That would be interesting, but we'd still have a jump ball afterwards.

Yeah, but they'd be pretty motivated to jump, wouldn't they? Nobody wants to pick up his/her 2nd technical before the game even gets going.


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