Time out

[just another ref]

This is a gray area which needs an editorial adjustment. Nothing in the timeout process is on the list of things which cause the ball to become dead except the whistle.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is a gray area which needs an editorial adjustment. Nothing in the timeout process is on the list of things which cause the ball to become dead except the whistle.

There's the letter of the rules and there's the spirit of the rules that good officials understand and follow.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's the letter of the rules and there's the spirit of the rules that good officials understand and follow.

And that is why a lot of people do the consider this an inadvertant whislte and no one cares except for those that have little common sense. The NCAA rule is different for this reason.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And that is why a lot of people do the consider this an inadvertant whislte and no one cares except for those that have little common sense. The NCAA rule is different for this reason.

Peace

I must be missing something (besides my coffee). How is the NCAA rule different in this situation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I must be missing something (besides my coffee). How is the NCAA rule different in this situation?

If you have an inadvertent whistle, the casebook says you do not grant those timeouts.

Here is a play that shows what I am talking about.

Timeouts Not Charged
A.R. 155. Player A1 is airborne and momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds. A1, while airborne and in control of the ball, requests a timeout. The official:

(1) Inadvertently blows the whistle; or
(2) Blows the whistle and immediately grants a timeout.

RULING: In both (1) and (2), the officials shall not recognize this request. The official’s whistle is an inadvertent whistle that caused the ball to become dead. Play will be resumed at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to Team A, the team in control, at a designated spot nearest to where the ball was located. Before placing the ball at Team A’s disposal for a throw-in, the official is permitted to inquire as to whether Team A still wants a timeout.
(Rule 4-39, 4-53.1.a, 5-12.1.c and 7-5.16)

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have an inadvertent whistle, the casebook says you do not grant those timeouts.

Here is a play that shows what I am talking about.

Timeouts Not Charged
A.R. 155. Player A1 is airborne and momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds. A1, while airborne and in control of the ball, requests a timeout. The official:

(1) Inadvertently blows the whistle; or
(2) Blows the whistle and immediately grants a timeout.

RULING: In both (1) and (2), the officials shall not recognize this request. The official’s whistle is an inadvertent whistle that caused the ball to become dead. Play will be resumed at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to Team A, the team in control, at a designated spot nearest to where the ball was located. Before placing the ball at Team A’s disposal for a throw-in, the official is permitted to inquire as to whether Team A still wants a timeout.
(Rule 4-39, 4-53.1.a, 5-12.1.c and 7-5.16)

Peace

Yep, time-outs incorrectly granted to a team not entitled to request one are treated as IW in NCAA-Men's.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yep, time-outs incorrectly granted to a team not entitled to request one are treated as IW in NCAA-Men's.

Is it not the same in NCAA-Women ball?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's the letter of the rules and there's the spirit of the rules that good officials understand and follow.

True, but that's a different argument.

Under timeout rule whatever number, it says timeout occurs when the official grants and signals. The common application is when the timeout is recognized, as opposed to when the whistle blows. But there's more. It would help to have some more specifics mentioned. 6-7 dead ball does not mention timeouts. This almost came into play in my game last week. What if an official improperly grants a timeout while the ball is in flight? Does it kill the play? I would say not, but there are things a lot more obscure than this which are spelled out for us in the rules.

[JRutledge]

It is a basketball fundamental in the rulebook.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is a basketball fundamental in the rulebook.

Peace

What is?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is?

I cannot find the exact number, but where it says something like, "The whistle rarely makes the ball dead, it is already dead."

I do not have my rulebook in front of me and it appears to not be listed on the Rulebook App, but this kind of is covered under that list.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

"The whistle rarely makes the ball dead, it is already dead."

#16 I got that. But in the case of the timeout, it is not specified what makes the ball dead.

A simple addition to 6-7:

The ball becomes dead when a coach or player properly requests a timeout.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

"The whistle rarely makes the ball dead, it is already dead."

16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).