Time out

[onetime1]

So is there team control during the flight of the pass? does this give the coach a chance to request a time out?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by onetime1

So is there team control during the flight of the pass? does this give the coach a chance to request a time out?

You must have player control to call a timeout. And the whistle does not make the play dead, the play is already dead by the recognition of the timeout being requested by the coach if the player had control at the same time. This is the reason they need to get rid of this rule because all it does is make officials have to pay attention to someone that can request a timeout and have to figure out if the HC made the request as opposed to someone else.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by onetime1

So is there team control during the flight of the pass? does this give the coach a chance to request a time out?

Yes, there is team control during a pass. However, the rules require player control, the ball at a team's disposal, or a dead ball for a timeout request to be properly granted.
So if the official incorrectly granted a timeout while the ball was in flight during a pass, the rule is that the team in control receives a throw-in from the OOB spot nearest to the location of the ball. In this case that is where it was last in contact with a player on the court, so from where the pass was thrown.

Pay no attention to the above post by Rut that is wrong by rule!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by onetime1

So is there team control during the flight of the pass? does this give the coach a chance to request a time out?

When was the timeout requested and heard by the official? The timing of the whistle isn't the important piece of the puzzle and could come a bit later.

[just another ref]

This is a gray area which needs an editorial adjustment. Nothing in the timeout process is on the list of things which cause the ball to become dead except the whistle.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is a gray area which needs an editorial adjustment. Nothing in the timeout process is on the list of things which cause the ball to become dead except the whistle.

There's the letter of the rules and there's the spirit of the rules that good officials understand and follow.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's the letter of the rules and there's the spirit of the rules that good officials understand and follow.

And that is why a lot of people do the consider this an inadvertant whislte and no one cares except for those that have little common sense. The NCAA rule is different for this reason.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And that is why a lot of people do the consider this an inadvertant whislte and no one cares except for those that have little common sense. The NCAA rule is different for this reason.

Peace

I must be missing something (besides my coffee). How is the NCAA rule different in this situation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I must be missing something (besides my coffee). How is the NCAA rule different in this situation?

If you have an inadvertent whistle, the casebook says you do not grant those timeouts.

Here is a play that shows what I am talking about.

Timeouts Not Charged
A.R. 155. Player A1 is airborne and momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds. A1, while airborne and in control of the ball, requests a timeout. The official:

(1) Inadvertently blows the whistle; or
(2) Blows the whistle and immediately grants a timeout.

RULING: In both (1) and (2), the officials shall not recognize this request. The official’s whistle is an inadvertent whistle that caused the ball to become dead. Play will be resumed at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to Team A, the team in control, at a designated spot nearest to where the ball was located. Before placing the ball at Team A’s disposal for a throw-in, the official is permitted to inquire as to whether Team A still wants a timeout.
(Rule 4-39, 4-53.1.a, 5-12.1.c and 7-5.16)

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's the letter of the rules and there's the spirit of the rules that good officials understand and follow.

True, but that's a different argument.

Under timeout rule whatever number, it says timeout occurs when the official grants and signals. The common application is when the timeout is recognized, as opposed to when the whistle blows. But there's more. It would help to have some more specifics mentioned. 6-7 dead ball does not mention timeouts. This almost came into play in my game last week. What if an official improperly grants a timeout while the ball is in flight? Does it kill the play? I would say not, but there are things a lot more obscure than this which are spelled out for us in the rules.

[JRutledge]

It is a basketball fundamental in the rulebook.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is a basketball fundamental in the rulebook.

Peace

What is?