Communication with partner

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

you might think he is in the act of shooting right up to the point he decides to pass the ball and when he does, he isnt getting free throws. the contact didnt prevent him from releasing the ball, in which case i will make a judgement as to whether or not he was attempting to shoot, so he chose to pass the ball, which means he isnt shooting!

And that is exactly what I get paid to do and that is what matters at the time of the foul. Defaulting to a pass if they don't actually finish the shot is, IMO, the lazy way out.

If you're going to follow the philosophy you've laid out, you must also award shots when a player who had no intention of shooting gets fouled and then flings the ball towards the basket after realizing they were fouled.

[johnny d]

problem is you dont really know he is shooting the ball, even on a layup, until he acutally releases the ball on a shot. he could very well be in a motion we all assume and associate with shooting a layup but that doesnt mean he is going to shoot the layup, foul or not. and none of us have ever seen a player go up for an apparent easy shot/layup and decide while airborne that their teammate has a better shot and try to pass it off to them only to have the ball go out of bounds because everybody assumed he was shooting the ball when he really wasnt. so if the play looks like a shot, acts like a shot it can be considered a shot right up the the moment it becomes a pass.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

problem is you dont really know he is shooting the ball, even on a layup, until he acutally releases the ball on a shot. he could very well be in a motion we all assume and associate with shooting a layup but that doesnt mean he is going to shoot the layup, foul or not. and none of us have ever seen a player go up for an apparent easy shot/layup and decide while airborne that their teammate has a better shot and try to pass it off to them only to have the ball go out of bounds because everybody assumed he was shooting the ball when he really wasnt. so if the play looks like a shot, acts like a shot it can be considered a shot right up the the moment it becomes a pass.

We've all seen enough basketball to make this call. And I'd rather err on the side of giving a set * of free throws that maybe weren't deserved than taking away three or four sets * of shots because a player adjusted after he was fouled because he didn't know if he'd get the call. We tell them to keep playing to the whistle.

* per season

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by johnny d

problem is you dont really know he is shooting the ball, even on a layup, until he acutally releases the ball on a shot.

The definition of a try tells us it is still a try even if a foul prevents the release of the ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The definition of a try tells us it is still a try even if a foul prevents the release of the ball.

The ball was released. It was passed to a teammate.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The ball was released. It was passed to a teammate.

After the try ended, so the ball was dead.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

After the try ended, so the ball was dead.

It was dead? When did the ball become dead?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was dead? When did the ball become dead?

He was unable to release on the try, so the try ended. Now, because of the foul, the ball is dead.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The definition of a try tells us it is still a try even if a foul prevents the release of the ball.

the definition of a try also tells us a try for field goal is an attempt by a player to score two or three points by throwing or tapping the ball into his basket. if the player is able to release the ball and by doing so, they throw the ball towards a teammate, ie they pass the ball, they have not, are not, were not by definition shooting the ball, thus no free throws.