The 3-person battle continues

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

... As soon as they found out 2 man they implemented/ went to a package they had where all screens were being set in dead zones/ difficult zones that they never even looked at running in the 3 man game.
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This is the most difficult part of 2-man for me. I hate that we miss those illegal screens. Doing a 2-man game tonight where the host sets a lot of questionable screens. This school sometimes uses 3-man. Tonight, if I think it might be illegal, I'm putting a whistle on it. Coach can fuss all he wants (which wouldn't be anything new).

[Freddy]

We used to have one conference assigning 3-man for F/JV DH's, which was an excellent learning ground for many who are now doing 3-man for varsity in our area (V is all 3-man/woman/person/human). The superintendents axed it against the advice of their AD's. Now, unless a guy gets what he needs from summer camps or from the various off-season scrimmages, he ain't never gonna get to the V level.
There are two prominent, large-school conferences who also cut back to 2-man for F/JV DH's, but several of us always bring in a third--splitting the two checks three ways. Though this sets a bad precedent, giving the schools something they don't pay for, we're hoping they are able to contrast the outcome of the 2-man games with those done by the freebie 3-man crews.
We don't give 'em chronic ballwatchers, only good, young, up-and-coming officials already doing varsity 3-man.
Time will tell if our sales pitch pays off.
The Referee mag article states the case quite well. Should be sent to all AD's and their budgetary-conscious supers.

[JRutledge]

I am blessed to live in a state where 3 Person has been used since 1997 for all playoff assignments. That turned the tide and those that did not go to 3 Person for everything soon did. And now I have only done a single 2 person game on purpose at the varsity level. Well not really on purpose, I was asked at the last minute to cover the game and I did even though in the past I had turned down assignments from that particular school previously (conference does not have a policy and somehow this school did not use 3).

I have never understood the position to only have 2 Person when if something happens the participants want to talk about safety or claim we should be watching everything. But hey, it is their liability on the line.

Peace

[tomegun]

There was one school in particular outside of DC (Howard or Montgomery County) that used to run an offense with a lot of picks. Every time I went to the school I knew that I had to avoid a lot of extra movement at the Lead so I could see all of the screening. I also have less time to talk to coaches in two-man games. I think there is more to take in on the court.

This past summer one tournament had the Oakland Soldiers versus Mac Irvin Fire - in an auxiliary gym. These are two of the top 17U teams in the country and they both will let you know it (with their mouths) from the time they walk into the gym. It was scheduled for two-man, but I worked with my friend and his campers came over that day to work the games at the site three-man. It was a tough game for three officials! The crowd started piling into the gym for that game the game before. A situation occurred where I came onto the court to "deal with" a parent, the tournament director was called in (by me) for a situation, the school cops were almost called to deal with a parent. But it was good basketball and fun!

[JRutledge]

Which Irvin brother was causing the problems in that game?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Which Irvin brother was causing the problems in that game?

Peace

I had to deal with one of their assistants one time. He looked shocked that I called him out and spoke in such an authoritative/combative tone.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I had to deal with one of their assistants one time. He looked shocked that I called him out and spoke in such an authoritative/combative tone.

Perspective is not that program's best suit. And the fact that many of the people involved coach programs at the high school level coaching and some situations in some recent incidents, their reputation certainly is well known. That is all I will say.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Which Irvin brother was causing the problems in that game?

Peace

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I had to deal with one of their assistants one time. He looked shocked that I called him out and spoke in such an authoritative/combative tone.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Perspective is not that program's best suit. And the fact that many of the people involved coach programs at the high school level coaching and some situations in some recent incidents, their reputation certainly is well known. That is all I will say.

Peace

So, did I just read about a suspension that is applicable to this conversation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So, did I just read about a suspension that is applicable to this conversation?

Yes the things you quoted. It involved one of the coaches that is involved with that program we mentioned, but in one of the coach's high school jobs.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Which Irvin brother was causing the problems in that game?

Peace

Funny.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Which Irvin brother was causing the problems in that game?

Peace

Corey! Haha....... problem is watching her.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Corey! Haha....... problem is watching her.

She is about to have another baby too.

Peace