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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:00am
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Well, varsity start times are usually scheduled variably. The start time is scheduled as 20/30 minutes after the end of the JV game. Yes, they give an estimate but that's not really the scheduled start time.
Not sure about that. The newspaper says 7:30PM, my contract says 7:30PM...

My point is that you need to be flexible and there's no reason to be "that guy" if something unusual happens.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:10am
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Not sure about that. The newspaper says 7:30PM, my contract says 7:30PM...

My point is that you need to be flexible and there's no reason to be "that guy" if something unusual happens.
I agree. I'm not looking for a T here, but I think the visiting team in the OP can force the issue.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:47am
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I agree. I'm not looking for a T here, but I think the visiting team in the OP can force the issue.
Not if I'm back in the locker room, they can't.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:00pm
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I agree. I'm not looking for a T here, but I think the visiting team in the OP can force the issue.
How?
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:23pm
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How?
I think at least the T for not providing the roster to the scorer applies. If the visiting team demands that I assess it, I don't see how I could avoid doing so.

I'd rather stay out of it if possible.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:25pm
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I think at least the T for not providing the roster to the scorer applies. If the visiting team demands that I assess it, I don't see how I could avoid doing so.

I'd rather stay out of it if possible.
I don't call anything because the other team demands it. It is possible, so stay out of it.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:32pm
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I don't call anything because the other team demands it. It is possible, so stay out of it.
I'm going to have to disagree. The roster wasn't there 10 minutes before the scheduled start time. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances that should cause a good-sportsman opponent wave the T, but I don't see how I can ignore it if they won't.

You wouldn't just ignore the T for adding a player during the game, especially if the coach demanded you apply the rule and for me this is a similar enough situation. I don't have a problem with it not being that way for you.

It's never happened to me. In fact, I've even had a team refuse to accept a T for adding a player during a game.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:41pm
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I'm going to have to disagree. The roster wasn't there 10 minutes before the scheduled start time. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances that should cause a good-sportsman opponent wave the T, but I don't see how I can ignore it if they won't.

You wouldn't just ignore the T for adding a player during the game, especially if the coach demanded you apply the rule and for me this is a similar enough situation. I don't have a problem with it not being that way for you.

It's never happened to me. In fact, I've even had a team refuse to accept a T for adding a player during a game.
It has been agreed upon by some, not all, that the "scheduled start time" is a bit of a gray area. I wouldn't ignore a T for anything, but if I did, that wouldn't change because of the insistence of the opposing coach. On the other hand, a team does not have the option of refusing to accept a T. They can intentionally miss the free throws and throw the ball out of bounds if they wish.
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Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:13pm
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especially if the coach demanded you apply the rule and for me this is a similar enough situation.
I have no problem with your interpretation of the rule, and if you decided to issue a T where most of us wouldn't, I have no problem with that either.

However, this is twice you seemed to intimate that "especially if the coach demanded..." matters to you. It should not. Ever. If you decided it was a T, it's a T. If you decided it's not, it's not. Opposing coach's insistence is completely and entirely irrelevant, and honestly it irks me to some degree that you seem to consider it relevant.
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