Shooting at wrong basket.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why two teams with dark colors?

Youth league - each team only has the one jersey.

(We had black vs dark blue - that was problematic.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

We had black vs dark blue - that was problematic.

Blue with white numbers versus blue with black numbers.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Blue with white numbers versus blue with black numbers.

Ugh.... Ok, I give! You win!!!

[jeremy341a]

When I was in school our home uniforms were gold with white numbers. The visitors showed up with gold with white numbers. They were different styles at least. Our team ended up wearing white undershirts under their tops. Many turnovers in that game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

When I was in school our home uniforms were gold with white numbers. The visitors showed up with gold with white numbers. They were different styles at least. Our team ended up wearing white undershirts under their tops. Many turnovers in that game.

Which explains why the NFHS wants home teams wearing white jerseys.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which explains why the NFHS wants home teams wearing white jerseys.

It doesn't really. The NFHS could just require the home team to have two sets of contrasting jerseys and require them to wear whichever one contrasts with the jerseys worn by the visitors. Why the NFHS fixates on white as one of the contrasting colors is inexplicable (especially in soccer).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It doesn't really. The NFHS could just require the home team to have two sets of contrasting jerseys and require them to wear whichever one contrasts with the jerseys worn by the visitors. Why the NFHS fixates on white as one of the contrasting colors is inexplicable (especially in soccer).

It's fixated on white so that if a school had a light colored as its road jersey it won't ever conflict with the home jersey, b/c the home team will always be wearing white.

Your suggestion above is extremely convoluted when there is really a very simple solution.


I'm not concerned about other sports, so my answer applies only to basketball.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's fixated on white so that if a school had a light colored as its road jersey it won't ever conflict with the home jersey, b/c the home team will always be wearing white.

Your suggestion above is extremely convoluted when there is really a very simple solution.


I'm not concerned about other sports, so my answer applies only to basketball.

It's really not convoluted. Every team has two jerseys. There's no reason to not allow them to wear their dark jersey when it contrasts with the other team's jersey.

It doesn't bother me for basketball because it's been that way forever. In soccer, otoh, they're bucking with the tradition of the game for no good reason.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which explains why the NFHS wants home teams wearing white jerseys.

It is a good idea because that game was a mess.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Following a timeout in a 5th grade girls game. Girls were quite skilled by the way. Yellow has possession of the ball under the basket at the far end line. Black coachs yell for them to be in 3-2 defense. Black sets up their defense in the back court but I believe they thought they were in the front court. I at first thought they were pressing as they had been the whole game. As I hand the ball to yellow for the throw in, black's coach yells for them to get back into 3-2. They turn and head the other way. Yellow then passes the ball in and shoots at the wrong basket. While the flight is in the air everyone is yelling "wrong basket." The only two who don't relize this are the shooter and the teammate who passed the ball in. The first shot is missed and the teammate who passed the ball in gets the "rebound" and sticks it back in. These two head down the floor now. As they ran away I whistled the play dead and instucted them it was still yellow's ball and instucted the table to give 2 pts to black.

Jeremy,
My concern here would be mechanics at the spot of the throw-in not helping avoid the obvious confusion amongst the players. You say you handed the ball to the thrower. It's not a front court throw-in for them, so I would expect you to bounce it. Did you inform the thrower and give a visible signal as to whether it was a spot throw-in? In looking at the mechanics manual I don't see a specific mention (resuming play after time out) of giving direction (as in the start of a quarter), but I know I will give a visible direction as the teams break their huddles and take the court. Did you do that?

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by referee99

Jeremy,
My concern here would be mechanics at the spot of the throw-in not helping avoid the obvious confusion amongst the players. You say you handed the ball to the thrower. It's not a front court throw-in for them, so I would expect you to bounce it. Did you inform the thrower and give a visible signal as to whether it was a spot throw-in? In looking at the mechanics manual I don't see a specific mention (resuming play after time out) of giving direction (as in the start of a quarter), but I know I will give a visible direction as the teams break their huddles and take the court. Did you do that?

As they broke their huddle I called out for yellow ball as I was standing on the endline. I remember saying to the yellow player that you have the baseline and can run. Black had scored right before yellow called timeout. I handed the ball to the player instead of bouncing because there was defensive pressure. I did not point in the direction that yellow should be going after the timeout was over. Should I be doing this after a timeout? I do it after an intermission. After a timeout I will just state the color.

I believe the confusion came from the fact that black had been pressing all game, they came up to press which brought all of yellow up. The coaches for Black then yelled "No you are in 3-2." Black moved into a 3-2 half court zone but did so in the front court. I think this is where the yellow brains went haywire that they were on their offensive end. While handing the ball to yellow the Coaches of Black yelled that they were on the wrong end. They retreated just as yellow was throwing the ball in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Should I be doing this after a timeout?

Yes. imo.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes. imo.

I always do if the ball is coming in on the sideline but for never do if it is on the endline. No reason, mainly bc I never thought about it.

[Treeguy]

Has a JV boys game last year, came in early and both teams had the same yellow jerseys on with very little difference in highlights. I am so glad I did not have that game. Afterward, I asked the refs if they tried to find t-shirts to go under one of the teams jerseys, and he wished he thought of that.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

As they broke their huddle I called out for yellow ball as I was standing on the endline. I remember saying to the yellow player that you have the baseline and can run. Black had scored right before yellow called timeout. I handed the ball to the player instead of bouncing because there was defensive pressure. I did not point in the direction that yellow should be going after the timeout was over. Should I be doing this after a timeout? I do it after an intermission. After a timeout I will just state the color.

I believe the confusion came from the fact that black had been pressing all game, they came up to press which brought all of yellow up. The coaches for Black then yelled "No you are in 3-2." Black moved into a 3-2 half court zone but did so in the front court. I think this is where the yellow brains went haywire that they were on their offensive end. While handing the ball to yellow the Coaches of Black yelled that they were on the wrong end. They retreated just as yellow was throwing the ball in.

kids! Sounds like you did all you could do.