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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:17am
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Situation: JV Game. Team B is down by 1 point. Team A is in the 1 and 1 bonus and have a throw in near the division line coming out of a time out. B1 fouls A1.
A1's try on front end hits the rim hard and bounces left over every player's heads before they can react. As soon as the ball touched the floor, the T chops the clock. The ball bounces out of bounds untouched as time expires. Game over. Of course, Coach for Team B goes ballistic wanting to know why the clock started before anyone touched the ball.

The following rules reference seems to address this, but, is there anything else that would indicate the should sart before touching or being touched?

Rule: 5-9-3
ART. 3

If a free throw is not successful and the ball is to remain live, the clock shall be started when the ball touches or is touched by a player on the court.

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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:21am
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Thoughts?
Thoughts don't cut it.
Your partner, after all, did what he "thought" was correct.
Which wasn't.
Facts are . . . your rules reference is correct; coach was correct.
Oops
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:22am
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Thoughts don't cut it.
Your partner, after all, did what he "thought" was correct.
Which wasn't.
Facts are . . . your rules reference is correct; coach was correct.
Oops
My partner didn't make the call.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:32am
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My partner didn't make the call.
Oops
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:37am
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Why chop the clock before it is touched? Hitting the floor is irrelevant. It has to be touched by a player.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:37am
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Situation: JV Game. Team B is down by 1 point. Team A is in the 1 and 1 bonus and have a throw in near the division line coming out of a time out. B1 fouls A1.
A1's try on front end hits the rim hard and bounces left over every player's heads before they can react. As soon as the ball touched the floor, the T chops the clock. The ball bounces out of bounds untouched as time expires. Game over. Of course, Coach for Team B goes ballistic wanting to know why the clock started before anyone touched the ball.

The following rules reference seems to address this, but, is there anything else that would indicate the should start before touching or being touched?

Rule: 5-9-3
ART. 3

If a free throw is not successful and the ball is to remain live, the clock shall be started when the ball touches or is touched by a player on the court.

Thoughts?
I think you meant A1's shot?

No, there is nothing in the book that indicates the clock starts when it touches the floor. On a jumped ball, the clock starts when a jumper touches it. On a throw-in, it also starts when a player first touches it.

My thoughts: Reset the game clock to what it was and give it to Team B where it went out of bounds.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:41am
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Why use the arrow?
Reset clock, and team B gets the ball. The free throw went out of bounds untouched.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:41am
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put the time back on the clock. B's ball since a1 was last to touch it inbounds.
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Yes, thank you. Sorry, in my head I stupidly thought something else.

Give it to Team B.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 11:45am
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Oops
No worries. I didn't make the call either.

I was in the stands spectating.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 02:32pm
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Give it to B?
Why would you give it to Team B? There is no Team Control once the FT is in flight. You would need to use the AP arrow to determine who gets the ball.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 02:34pm
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Why would you give it to Team B? There is no Team Control once the FT is in flight. You would need to use the AP arrow to determine who gets the ball.
A1 was last to touch the ball before it went OOB.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 02:39pm
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Why would you give it to Team B? There is no Team Control once the FT is in flight. You would need to use the AP arrow to determine who gets the ball.
It was not an inadvertent whistle...A touched it last. B gets the ball.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 02:40pm
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Why would you give it to Team B? There is no Team Control once the FT is in flight. You would need to use the AP arrow to determine who gets the ball.
So on a missed FT that touches no one and goes OOB you call a Jump Ball?
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2013, 02:40pm
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Why would you give it to Team B? There is no Team Control once the FT is in flight. You would need to use the AP arrow to determine who gets the ball.
Really? A was last to touch.
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