First to touch?

[rekent]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That concerns throw-ins, not this situation.

Case 7.1.1 B is the one I was talking about, and it is not throw-in.

[BillyMac]

If a player's momentum carries him or her off the court, he or she can be the first player to touch the ball after returning inbounds. That player must not have left the court voluntarily and must immediately return inbounds. That player must have something in and nothing out. It is not necessary to have both feet back inbounds. It is a violation for a player to intentionally leave the court for an unauthorized reason.

[letemplay]

Would this also apply to: A1 has advanced the ball into his frontcourt and turns to pass to A2 just coming across midcourt line. When he touches ball, A2 has one foot down in the frontcourt, nothing in backcourt. Is this considered position (FC) established?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Would this also apply to: A1 has advanced the ball into his frontcourt and turns to pass to A2 just coming across midcourt line. When he touches ball, A2 has one foot down in the frontcourt, nothing in backcourt. Is this considered position (FC) established?

Look up player location.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Look up player location.

You are where you are until you get where you're going.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You are where you are until you get where you're going.

While true, this does nothing to help answer the question asked -- did the player "get where (he was) going?"

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While true, this does nothing to help answer the question asked -- did the player "get where (he was) going?"

100% of the time, the player gets where he was going. The question is ... was where we was going where he intended to go?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Would this also apply to: A1 has advanced the ball into his frontcourt and turns to pass to A2 just coming across midcourt line. When he touches ball, A2 has one foot down in the frontcourt, nothing in backcourt. Is this considered position (FC) established?

Why wouldn't it be? Has someone locally told you something that would make you doubt this?

[letemplay]

That is how I would rule it, but have seen others say both feet needed to be clearly down before touching.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by letemplay

That is how I would rule it, but have seen others say both feet needed to be clearly down before touching.

Go by the rule book, not by others making statements like "both feet needed to be clearly down before touching".

Do you really think that somewhere is rule 4-35 it makes reference to "clearly down"?

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Go by the rule book, not by others making statements like "both feet needed to be clearly down before touching".

Do you really think that somewhere is rule 4-35 it makes reference to "clearly down"?

Do you really think there are not at least SOME refs out there every night that do not know ALL the rules, or some that view/interpret differently? Hence a forum such as this

[Freddy]

"Letemplay", please understand I don't mean to dis you with what I'm about to say, only use part of your post to make a point.

"That is how I would rule it, but have seen others say . . ."

This phraseology is the bane of officiating.

I hear this at a rules meeting and I outspokenly rebel vociferously without restraint in a near-out-of-control manner.

There. Vent over. I feel only slightly better.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by letemplay

That is how I would rule it, but have seen others say both feet needed to be clearly down before touching.

These others you see... ask them to return to officiating football, where their notions are correct.

[APG]

In the NBA, a player may NOT be the first to touch the ball after going out of bounds if they are dribbling the ball or if they save the ball by controlling (throwing) it. If the player saves the ball by batting it, they MAY be the first to touch the ball.

That may be source of confusion for some officials and definitely a case where fans will think we rule a play incorrectly (much like a backcourt call with a defensive deflection even with the offense being the last to touch and first to touch).