First to touch?

[rekent]

If his momentum is what took him OOB and he did not voluntarily go out or gain an advantage by delaying his return to the court, yes he can be the first to touch.

Look at casebook 7.1.1 (or just look at the conversation here where it has already been discussed and Nevadaref so kindly posted the case).

[bigda65]

Originally Posted by rekent

If his momentum is what took him OOB and he did not voluntarily go out or gain an advantage by delaying his return to the court, yes he can be the first to touch.

Look at casebook 7.1.1 (or just look at the conversation here where it has already been discussed and Nevadaref so kindly posted the case).

thank you so much, that is exactly what I needed.

I just became a millionare! (I will not get paid of course)

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bigda65

thank you so much, that is exactly what I needed.

I just became a millionare! (I will not get paid of course)

Who did you bet and what are your backgrounds? Coaches, fans officials etc?

[bigda65]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Who did you bet and what are your backgrounds? Coaches, fans officials etc?

I coach youth ball, Ref rec games, mostly umpire baseball. I bet the referee (he is a good friend).

My kid threw the ball inbounds, and went through my other players hands, He chased it to the sideline and knocked it back inbounds, he stepped back on the court and started dribbling. He blew the whistle and called oob. I asked why, he said you couldnt do that, so I bet him a million that he could.

all friendly, no words as I said he is a good friend, and I thought a pretty good official.

[Adam]

Did it actually hit "the other player's hands?"

[bigda65]

Originally Posted by Adam

Did it actually hit "the other player's hands?"

yes, actually through the hands, then the side of the head.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigda65

yes, actually through the hands, then the side of the head.

Ouch. He wouldn't be the first good official to misunderstand this particular rule.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by bigda65

I coach youth ball, Ref rec games, mostly umpire baseball. I bet the referee (he is a good friend).

My kid threw the ball inbounds, and went through my other players hands, He chased it to the sideline and knocked it back inbounds, he stepped back on the court and started dribbling. He blew the whistle and called oob. I asked why, he said you couldnt do that, so I bet him a million that he could.

all friendly, no words as I said he is a good friend, and I thought a pretty good official.

I have a questions. When he came back onto the court was the ball bouncing and did he start dribbling. Or did he pick up the ball and start a dribble? If he picked up the ball and started to dribble it is an illegal dribble not an OB violation.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BigT

I have a questions. When he came back onto the court was the ball bouncing and did he start dribbling. Or did he pick up the ball and start a dribble? If he picked up the ball and started to dribble it is an illegal dribble not an OB violation.

I have a questions on your questions.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I have a questions on your questions.

Why is it an illegal dribble? He had not previously dribbled and it had been touched by another player.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigT

I have a questions. When he came back onto the court was the ball bouncing and did he start dribbling. Or did he pick up the ball and start a dribble? If he picked up the ball and started to dribble it is an illegal dribble not an OB violation.

Depends on what the OP meant by "knocked it back inbounds".

Most of the time (in my experience) that's not a dribble. So, gathering the ball (after the player comes inbounds) is not ending the dribble. So the "next" dribble is legal.

[bigda65]

Originally Posted by BigT

I have a questions. When he came back onto the court was the ball bouncing and did he start dribbling. Or did he pick up the ball and start a dribble? If he picked up the ball and started to dribble it is an illegal dribble not an OB violation.

He batted the ball back inbounds with one hand.

[bigda65]

It gets a little better today.

He called me today and left me a voicemail : He believes that since his momementum didnt carry him out of bounds, that the right call was OOB.

I asked him two questions in an email that I havent heard back from him yet.

1) In that situation, what advantage was gained when he left the court and then returned?

2) A nine year old kid chasing a loose ball toward the line, does not constitute momentum?

I could give two hoots in georgia about the bet, this has happened two weeks in a row and 4 different officials missed this, I just want them to get it right.

What other questions can I ask that can shed the light? help me out fellas!

If he believes that he left the court on purpose, should that be a warning or a technical? I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that it should never be an OOB call, correct?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rekent

If his momentum is what took him OOB and he did not voluntarily go out or gain an advantage by delaying his return to the court, yes he can be the first to touch.

Look at casebook 7.1.1 (or just look at the conversation here where it has already been discussed and Nevadaref so kindly posted the case).

There is no situation in high school where it is a violation to be the first to touch the ball (other than the thrower on a throw in pass.)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rekent

If his momentum is what took him OOB and he did not voluntarily go out or gain an advantage by delaying his return to the court, yes he can be the first to touch.

Just to clarify: Going out voluntarily and delaying his return have nothing to do with touching the ball. These are infractions whether he touches the ball afterward or not. He can't touch the ball because it will already be dead.