No Good T Stories?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Rich

All of this (book checking and verification) is local.

Back when I officiated in TN, we took the book back to the other side of the court and verified every number on the floor and ensured that the book was perfect.

Now, I count up the total number of players and only concern myself if there are more warming up than there are listed in the book. It's on the coach if there's an error beyond this.

I like putting the responsibility on the coach, myself.

Same here. Similar to asking coaches if their players are properly and legally equipped. They say "yes" and I'm done with it. What happens beyond that is on the coach. I asked, he answered. He assumes the risk now, not me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Same here. Similar to asking coaches if their players are properly and legally equipped. They say "yes" and I'm done with it. What happens beyond that is on the coach. I asked, he answered. He assumes the risk now, not me.

He assumes the risk whether I ask him or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

All of this (book checking and verification) is local.

Not everything is local, some things are personal. I do this but no mandate from anyone to do this. I also do this and make sure the coach reviews this so they can correct any silly mistake. And fortunately in the last few years that I have been doing this, I have prevented several Ts that would have been given if we went with what was in the book. But not everyone does this or is even advocated by a group or evaluator. It was suggested by people I respect and thought I would try it. Been doing it ever since.

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not everything is local, some things are personal. I do this but no mandate from anyone to do this. I also do this and make sure the coach reviews this so they can correct any silly mistake. And fortunately in the last few years that I have been doing this, I have prevented several Ts that would have been given if we went with what was in the book. But not everyone does this or is even advocated by a group or evaluator. It was suggested by people I respect and thought I would try it. Been doing it ever since.

Peace

I agree. No one has ever told me to do this but I've got nothing else really going on at this time so if I can help make a cleaner start to the game I think it is worth while.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

I count up the total number of players and only concern myself if there are more warming up than there are listed in the book.

Same here in my little corner of Connecticut, in addition to checking for illegal, and duplicate, numbers.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know people that do this, I think it is unnecessary but people do this. It was something that came from college and was encouraged, but never at the NF level or at least in the rulebook or rulings. I am sure some states wanted this done.

Peace

Exactly JR..My Assignor likes us to use the "Put in the book" method. While not in the rule book, its a tool used as part of game management and in my games in my part of the world it has been effective in getting a change in behavior for the game. I have used it when a coach becomes persistant on complaining. If there is profanity or personal comments then Tag the coach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Exactly JR..My Assignor likes us to use the "Put in the book" method. While not in the rule book, its a tool used as part of game management and in my games in my part of the world it has been effective in getting a change in behavior for the game. I have used it when a coach becomes persistant on complaining. If there is profanity or personal comments then Tag the coach.

Wow. Too bad they don't trust you.

And my understanding of the college practice Rut referred to was that it only applied to coaching box infractions.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

I have used it when a coach becomes persistant on complaining. If there is profanity or personal comments then Tag the coach.

...whatever works...I guess...if all your association's officials use this "method".

I personally do not like the "warning" in the book procedure.

This method creates inconsistency IMO. One official may warn, while another official may go right to the T. Coach may say, "Where is my warning?, I got one (or two) the other night."

Again, this may create an atmosphere where coaches may think they can go on and on untill they get that one warning...

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Adam

Wow. Too bad they don't trust you.

And my understanding of the college practice Rut referred to was that it only applied to coaching box infractions.

Its kind of like the Stop hand signal you give to coaches but just step up by making it a formal warning and placed in the book..Like I said it has a psychological impact in that most times it does work

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Its kind of like the Stop hand signal you give to coaches but just step up by making it a formal warning and placed in the book..Like I said it has a psychological impact in that most times it does work

I don't use the "talk to the hand" signal. I talk to the coaches in the same manner I expect them to speak to me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Its kind of like the Stop hand signal you give to coaches but just step up by making it a formal warning and placed in the book..Like I said it has a psychological impact in that most times it does work

I have to totally agree with you here. We have often been told to use the "Stop Sign" because it will justify any later action by us as officials. It does not work often (at least not for me it doesn't) and usually ends up in a T situation anyway. And if your assignor wants a "In the book" warning so be it as it is just as much a demand as the Stop Sign is for others.

Peace

[Thumper68]

I gave my first T tonight. I am a third year offical by the way. Girls freshman game, both coaches had been quiet all night. About 3 minutes left in the third quarter, B goes into full court press mode. A advancing slowly up court with heavy defensive pressure. A1 has her non-dribbling hand up in front of her chest, B1 is bumping into A1's arm causing her arm to go down. When B1 backs up A1's arm comes up. A1 is not pushing on B1 or committing a foul. In my judgement B1's contact is incidental. I have nothing. I reach 8 on my backcourt count and A's coach calls a timeout. B's coach comes out on the floor about 3 feet and is screaming at me to make a call. I called a T. She sit down and was quiet for the rest of the game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Thumper68

I gave my first T tonight. I am a third year offical by the way. Girls freshman game, both coaches had been quiet all night. About 3 minutes left in the third quarter, B goes into full court press mode. A advancing slowly up court with heavy defensive pressure. A1 has her non-dribbling hand up in front of her chest, B1 is bumping into A1's arm causing her arm to go down. When B1 backs up A1's arm comes up. A1 is not pushing on B1 or committing a foul. In my judgement B1's contact is incidental. I have nothing. I reach 8 on my backcourt count and B's coach calls a timeout. A's coach comes out on the floor about 3 feet and is screaming at me to make a call. I called a T. She sit down and was quiet for the rest of the game.

You granted Coach B's time-out request even though Team A had the ball?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You granted Coach B's time-out request even though Team A had the ball?

Somebody should write a letter.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You granted Coach B's time-out request even though Team A had the ball?

That was my first thought as well.......