UConn vs Marquette Fiasco (Letter to John Adams and Coordinators)

[Welpe]

I miss how Jurassic would handle these threads.

[Raymond]

Devon,

if you knew anything about officiating you would know your complaint should be with the Big East suprevisor, not John Adams.

So it makes it impossible to take your FANBOY letter seriously. And why should Adams read an anonymous letter?

[OKREF]

This has really gotten 6 pages?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TonyT

I agree with you Devon, They are more concerned with attacking you than addressing the real problem. But that it what officials do. They never make a mistake it is always someone elses fault.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but you're an idiot.

Did you not see official after official on this thread saying that this crew made a mistake?

Are the officials not human? Are they not entitled to make a mistake (even a big one) from time to time?

Edited to add: I wasted 5 minutes looking at the 53 posts you've made since you joined this board. At least 50 of them are ripping officials, umpires, etc.

In other words, you are a troll, sir.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by TonyT

...that it what officials do. They never make a mistake it is always someone elses fault.

I am an official. I blew a call on a 7-5-7 OOB pass play last Friday. It was my fault. Mine and mine alone.

Care to dispute that?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by DevonMoore

Yeah, you always close threads that do not meet your standards or liking and then block people simply because their opinion is not of yours...glad you find it entertaining.

Adams' response was typical just as I thought it would be. I was surprised he even replied. At least he READ what I had to say...OUT!

A Jim Rome fanboy at that.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I miss how Jurassic would handle these threads.

Amen

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I miss how Jurassic would handle these threads.

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Amen

There would be a dearth of 'attaboys' if mick were here as well.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by OKREF

This has really gotten 6 pages?

The sheer entertainment value of this thread made my usual 12 hour work day seem like 4 hours! Thank you, Devon!
Please post again next Sunday through Tuesday. That's when I'm back on shift again. Anytime after 4:30am is okay.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by TonyT

I agree with you Devon, They are more concerned with attacking you than addressing the real problem. But that it what officials do. They never make a mistake it is always someone elses fault.

Wrong answer.

All officials, including yours truly, makes mistakes.

It's called "the human factor".

Move on, coach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DevonMoore

Yeah, you always close threads that do not meet your standards or liking and then block people simply because their opinion is not of yours...glad you find it entertaining.

Adams' response was typical just as I thought it would be. I was surprised he even replied. At least he READ what I had to say...OUT!

1. If you have such little regard for us, why did you give us such prime red meat?

2. If we blocked people for being idiots, TonyT would be long gone.

3. We disagree with each other (not always in a civil manner) too much to block people due to their opinions. Arrogance and hubris, however....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'd close the thread as a worthless expenditure of hot air, but quite frankly I'm really entertained by it.

BTW, I loved John Adams's response. He gave the OP more attention than he was due, IMO.

BTW, what was John's response? Not asking for the word for word version, but what did he basically say?

Peace

[sj]

Devon

I've got some comments and they are interjected after each part. And I've also included a running total of how correct, relevant, or valid your points are.

***************

Letter to John Adams and Selected Coordinators of Officials:

***Should only go to the Big East coordinator of officials as he's the only one who has supervisory responsibility for Big East games.

So you're 0-1 so far

I am certain by now that all of you are aware of the travesty that occurred in the UConn at Marquette game on January 1, 2013.

***I'm sure he would know about it too. So you're now 1-2.

If you aren’t, let me briefly remind you of the events: The officials, Karl Hess, Michael Stephens, and Mike Stuart lined the players up for the jump ball heading in the wrong direction to start the overtime period. This was not the players’ fault! It was not realized by the officials until AFTER a goaltending call was made by Stuart, who was in the lead, opposite position on the floor. The officials conferred and not only disallowed the goaltending call (saying it wasn’t a try), but used the alternating possession arrow to give the ball to Marquette at their baseline for a throw-in. Error, compounding by another error, followed by a third error!!

***If you're certain he knew then there is no point in reiterating everything. Don't waste his time. 1-3.

I watched this game in utter frustration because each of these officials have worked the Final Four and are supposed to be three of the best not only in the Big East, but the country as well. I find it hard to believe that the THIRD article in Rule 5 was not known by these officials. It is apparent to me that these officials are refereeing on reputation and not ability. It is also apparent to me that when you see the number of games these officials work (bbstate.com), there is more arrogance demonstrated by these “Big Time” officials than there is concentration and knowledge of the rules.

***All conjecture, hearsay, and opinion as to why it happened. Counts for nothing. The only thing that matters is the real reason why they missed it. To get that answer you'd have to ask the three officials. Which you have not done. 1-4

This was a travesty...

***While a bit melodramatic here I'll give you this one since it was handled poorly. 2-5.


for ALL basketball officiating!

***Please. 2-6.

Even though this fiasco happened in a Big East game, I am curious as to what excuse the coordinators will arrive at to defend these officials who also work in the SEC, ACC, Big 12, A-10, C-USA, and other conferences.

***There will be no excuses. There will be a reason why they messed up as there always is. But citing a reason should not be perceived as an excuse that would somehow relieve them of responsibility in the matter. 2-7.

Quite frankly, there is NO EXCUSE for this to happen in ANY game at ANY level.

***Man. I guess you're giving them the old what-for. Even use capital letters. But correct so you're now 3-8. But you know what? The supervisor already knows this so again you're wasting his time. So I'm taking it away from you. 2-8.

Officials who referee jr. high girls know how to line players up correctly to start an overtime period and more importantly, jr. high officials know this rule. Judgment is judgment, but knowledge of the rules is paramount.

***It wasn't that they didn't know the rule. They didn't catch it at the start of the overtime period. They blew it. They just didn't remind themselves to check to see if the teams were lined up correctly. So on this you go to 3-10.


I am certain that each of these officials will be on TV later this weekend in another "BIG Time" game in a BCS conference.

***Maybe you will. But we'll wait and see. But no one can be "certain" of anything. So, sorry. 3-11.


Additionally, disallowing the basket may have cost UConn the game; had this basket been scored as it should have been, UConn would have only been down one versus three and would have had an opportunity to win the game versus attempting to tie the game.

***All conjecture and has no place in a letter concerning the correct adjudication of a rule. The only thing that matters is if a rule was applied properly or not. Several different scenarios could have resulted none of which will ever be known. 3-12.

It is unacceptable that officials at such a high level cannot adjudicate rules properly

***Good point. I'm sure all the officials on this board will take it as a revelation. 4-13

and I am certain that each one will in fact return to the NCAA tourney, not because of their ability, but because of their reputation!

***Again with the certainty. 4-14. And even if they do go back they will be there with a bunch of other guys who all made mistakes this year.

But now their reputations should be that they do not know the rules of the game no matter how “Big Time” they think they are!!

***Nope. Their reputation should be that of good officials that screwed up a situation. Not unlike myself and about several hundred other officials. 4-15.

Where is the accountablity?

***We'll wait and see what happens. To ask this question before any appreciable time has passed since it happened is nonsensical. If anything will happen to them you have to give the supervisor some time to figure out exactly what to do or not do. 4-16.


If this had happened with young officials, they would all probably be fired.

***Again conjecture. But it's a certainty that if young officials were fired for making mistakes concerning rules, there would be no officials anywhere to work games. 4-17.

***So you were 4-17 on your points made. That's 23%. That tells me that you need to go back to work on your game. Maybe critique junior high officials. That's a good place to start over again. So stop writing letters to college supervisors. You're not ready yet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

BTW, what was John's response? Not asking for the word for word version, but what did he basically say?

Peace

"Thanks for being a fan of college basketball."

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Adam

"Thanks for being a fan of college basketball."

I'm now sorry I missed the response letter.

Just reading this made me laugh...that's about all the response that Devon Fanboy deserves.