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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:06pm
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After all that, I can hear the bus backing up for a second run at partner

"We communicated, offense committed BI, no basket, 2 Ft's"
Is the bus backed up because you feel it is or because of my partner? I told my partner what I said and he did not bat an eye. I would not have have been upset. Coaches need to know that we all do not call the same things and that expectation is silly.

I think sometimes we worry too much about what others think of us honestly and especially coaches.

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:19pm
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Is the bus backed up because you feel it is or because of my partner? I told my partner what I said and he did not bat an eye. I would not have have been upset. Coaches need to know that we all do not call the same things and that expectation is silly.

I think sometimes we worry too much about what others think of us honestly and especially coaches.

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If that is your perspective, why did you ask? Your question implies otherwise
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:39pm
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If that is your perspective, why did you ask? Your question implies otherwise
I asked because I was conflicted with an email that was sent out. I know we all have different perspectives on what we say and how we say things. I did not say it was going to totally change things or what I say. I feel that we have to tell coaches the truth and not act like we all are equally watching the same things.

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 04:15pm
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JRut,

For consideration:

Do you think your partner could have done something more like an NBA mechanic and had a whistle as soon as the offense committed BI? I think the whistle becomes the clear indicator that your partner now had additional information that would be completely his call.

It certainly means that the calling officials will have a discussion as to what they both have rather than just coming in and saying "I have offensive BI"

Just thinking out loud, but I like this idea and hopefully I would be able to use it properly.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 04:24pm
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Okay, a coach doesn't necessarily like to hear the rationale, "That wasn't in my area, coach." After all, he probably doesn't know anything about PCA's. And he's just ragging on you as the nearest representative of the crew on the floor, either expressing frustration over something called or missed, or lobbying for future favoritism -- neither of which have a high likelihood of meriting our serious consideration (yes, there are exceptions to that). Therefore, what often works is to just somehow fill in the time until his attention is diverted to the next play occurring. My latest favorite goes something like this:
Coach: How could your partner call that over there. Didn't you see that?
Me: Coach, I understand you disagree with that call over there, is that correct?
Coach: That's correct.
Me: I understand.
Coach:
Me: ... and on to the next play myself.
By that time the coach's attention is diverted to the next play, and if he wants to continue the point, which he probably won't (when I was in his place my memory was about as short as my tallest player--not very) and if he wants to rag on my partner for his part in his perceived debacle he'll at least wait for him to come around or, more likely, just drop it.
Kinda a perverted "Verbal Judo" tactic, but it works.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 04:35pm
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JRut,

For consideration:

Do you think your partner could have done something more like an NBA mechanic and had a whistle as soon as the offense committed BI? I think the whistle becomes the clear indicator that your partner now had additional information that would be completely his call.

It certainly means that the calling officials will have a discussion as to what they both have rather than just coming in and saying "I have offensive BI"
My partner who was the trail made the call immediately. We did not really get together honestly. I asked him if he had BI before I went to the table. The communication took a couple of seconds. It was obvious to everyone he made a call or that a call was made. I just echoed the call at the table before reporting.

Again I am not saying that what I said to the coach could not be perceived by some as wrong, just trying to figure out why some statements are OK but we are saying the same basic thing. It was obviously his call to everyone watching and we worked together to get it right. I even gave the coach the opportunity to ask him when he got the chance. I will think of saying something different in the future, but do not see why this is over the top an other statements are not seen the same way. Just wondering mostly.

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 04:57pm
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My partner who was the trail made the call immediately. We did not really get together honestly. I asked him if he had BI before I went to the table. The communication took a couple of seconds. It was obvious to everyone he made a call or that a call was made. I just echoed the call at the table before reporting.

Again I am not saying that what I said to the coach could not be perceived by some as wrong, just trying to figure out why some statements are OK but we are saying the same basic thing. It was obviously his call to everyone watching and we worked together to get it right. I even gave the coach the opportunity to ask him when he got the chance. I will think of saying something different in the future, but do not see why this is over the top an other statements are not seen the same way. Just wondering mostly.

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It seems like every year there is some new approach to dealing with coaches in a way that doesn't divide the crew.

The overall statement that "it was my partners call" has taken on the meaning that "coach doesn't like the call, but hey it was my partners messed up call, I had something different or I thought it was a no-call"

There is a movement for referees to be mindless autotans and therefore we should be saying less.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:26pm
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I sometimes like....he was in a much better position to see that play than you or I coach.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:39pm
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I have actually had a coach say:

to my partner: "HEY, GET HIM OFF OF HIM!!!"

to me: "You saw that, but I know you can't call it from here."

I didn't say anything, but he was right.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:09pm
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My partner who was the trail made the call immediately. We did not really get together honestly. I asked him if he had BI before I went to the table. The communication took a couple of seconds. It was obvious to everyone he made a call or that a call was made. I just echoed the call at the table before reporting.

Again I am not saying that what I said to the coach could not be perceived by some as wrong, just trying to figure out why some statements are OK but we are saying the same basic thing. It was obviously his call to everyone watching and we worked together to get it right. I even gave the coach the opportunity to ask him when he got the chance. I will think of saying something different in the future, but do not see why this is over the top an other statements are not seen the same way. Just wondering mostly.

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we used to live in world of sticks and stones may break my bones but word will never hurt me. now the world hinges on every word chosen looking to hang u with every possible meaning. Now we have to choose our word carefully even if what we would normally say means the same thing. hate this world sometimes

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:36pm
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we used to live in world of sticks and stones may break my bones but word will never hurt me. now the world hinges on every word chosen looking to hang u with every possible meaning. Now we have to chose our word carefully even if what we would normally say means the same thing. hate this world sometimes
I am convinced this is the bigger issue, not what we actually say. I guess I would like to be told the truth, not lied to or mislead. Obviously I am not a coach and I like the truth.

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