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JRutledge Tue Dec 25, 2012 01:48am

"That is my partner's call."
 
Do people find this comment to be seen as throwing your partner under the bus if you say this to a coach? Or do you see this as a way to explain a call that you are not directly involved in?

An email got me thinking and I want opinions from others.

Peace

Raymond Tue Dec 25, 2012 01:57am

I've had supervisors who say they don't like that statement.

They prefer "that play was right in front of my partner" or "I didn't get a good look".

They feel that saying "it was my partner's call" is the equivalent of saying "it's not my call/area" and means you saw something obvious but decided not to blow your whistle. (of course this applies to no-calls, there are no discussions if my partner actually makes a call).

dahoopref Tue Dec 25, 2012 02:12am

I tend to tell coaches:

"(Partner's name) is right there and had the best look at it."

"(Partner's name) will tell you what he saw (or didn't see) as soon as he can."

Saying "that's my partner's call" to me means that you are in disagreement with the call. A coach can sense that and will use it to divide the crew.

just another ref Tue Dec 25, 2012 03:10am

I prefer not to mention my partner.

"I can't call that from here." or "I'm not looking way over there."

Maineac Tue Dec 25, 2012 07:27am

In my opinion saying that could be taken by a coach to mean, "I agree with you, I'm not the one who called/didn't call that." I prefer "He had a great look, he was right there."

bob jenkins Tue Dec 25, 2012 08:53am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 868599)
I prefer not to mention my partner.

"I can't call that from here." or "I'm not looking way over there."

I usually state this positively instead of negativiely: "I was looking at xx and xx" (be specific).

jeremy341a Tue Dec 25, 2012 09:23am

I agree with what has been said. When I coached I hated the "I can't call that from here or that isn't my call" That always made me feel like I saw it and choose not to call it. It also made me feel they were selling their partner out. I much prefered the "i'm didn't see it as I'm not watching that area.

JRutledge Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:56am

Well I have said that phrase in some context previously, but usually say more like, "I have no idea what happened on that play, not looking there." I also do not explain calls I do not see or did not have a whistle on either. I have no problem telling a coach to speak with the calling official for a better or clearer explanation when they get a chance.

On Saturday I have a game where I called a foul from the Lead where the ball when in the basket and a teammate of the fouled team went up and touched the ball. Well of course I did not see the violation at all but knew the player was up on the rim. My partner comes in and calls a offensive BI and gives me information before I go to the table. Well I wave off the basket and then report the foul. Well the coach complains to me as I go table side and I tell him flat out, "Coach that is his call all the way, I am not looking up there or cannot really make that call from my position." I did tell him, "I think he touched the ball but my partner will gladly tell you what he called when he gets a chance." The coach said almost nothing else to me and later my partner did explain his call and we moved on. Not saying that was the best thing to say, but I could not think of anything else to really say for that kind of play as it literally was not my call to make. Otherwise I would have said something totally different. Not saying I was right, just did not want to explain something I clearly did not see.

Peace

Rich Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:14am

My line is usually -- "We've got two officials looking there, I'm looking at (insert something here)."

Coaches, like fans, follow the ball. I think they think we do, too.

icallfouls Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 868595)
Do people find this comment to be seen as throwing your partner under the bus if you say this to a coach? Or do you see this as a way to explain a call that you are not directly involved in?

An email got me thinking and I want opinions from others.

Peace

I can see where other officials would say this is throwing a partner under the bus. I think it does single out the calling official and brings more focus on them.

Short reply: "ask Rut"
Long reply: "ask Rut, it was his play, he can answer your question"

icallfouls Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 868612)
Well I have said that phrase in some context previously, but usually say more like, "I have no idea what happened on that play, not looking there." I also do not explain calls I do not see or did not have a whistle on either. I have no problem telling a coach to speak with the calling official for a better or clearer explanation when they get a chance.

On Saturday I have a game where I called a foul from the Lead where the ball when in the basket and a teammate of the fouled team went up and touched the ball. Well of course I did not see the violation at all but knew the player was up on the rim. My partner comes in and calls a offensive BI and gives me information before I go to the table. Well I wave off the basket and then report the foul. Well the coach complains to me as I go table side and I tell him flat out, "Coach that is his call all the way, I am not looking up there or cannot really make that call from my position." I did tell him, "I think he touched the ball but my partner will gladly tell you what he called when he gets a chance." The coach said almost nothing else to me and later my partner did explain his call and we moved on. Not saying that was the best thing to say, but I could not think of anything else to really say for that kind of play as it literally was not my call to make. Otherwise I would have said something totally different. Not saying I was right, just did not want to explain something I clearly did not see.

Peace

After all that, I can hear the bus backing up for a second run at partner :D

"We communicated, offense committed BI, no basket, 2 Ft's"

Raymond Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 868612)
Well I have said that phrase in some context previously, but usually say more like, "I have no idea what happened on that play, not looking there." I also do not explain calls I do not see or did not have a whistle on either. I have no problem telling a coach to speak with the calling official for a better or clearer explanation when they get a chance.

On Saturday I have a game where I called a foul from the Lead where the ball when in the basket and a teammate of the fouled team went up and touched the ball. Well of course I did not see the violation at all but knew the player was up on the rim. My partner comes in and calls a offensive BI and gives me information before I go to the table. Well I wave off the basket and then report the foul. Well the coach complains to me as I go table side and I tell him flat out, "Coach that is his call all the way, I am not looking up there or cannot really make that call from my position." I did tell him, "I think he touched the ball but my partner will gladly tell you what he called when he gets a chance." The coach said almost nothing else to me and later my partner did explain his call and we moved on. Not saying that was the best thing to say, but I could not think of anything else to really say for that kind of play as it literally was not my call to make. Otherwise I would have said something totally different. Not saying I was right, just did not want to explain something I clearly did not see.

Peace

My answer would be: "Coach, we got together and talked about it and this is OUR ruling."

just another ref Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 868608)
I usually state this positively instead of negativiely: "I was looking at xx and xx" (be specific).

I like this too. Of course it also depends on what the complaint is about. Coaches usually complain to the official that is nearest, no matter what. What can you possibly say when, as lead in two man, the coach is screaming at you about the ten second count? Sometimes there is no substitute for a shoulder shrug. Or, better yet, a brief, incredulous look.

"What is this strange, coachese language which you are speaking?"

JRutledge Tue Dec 25, 2012 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 868620)
After all that, I can hear the bus backing up for a second run at partner :D

"We communicated, offense committed BI, no basket, 2 Ft's"

Is the bus backed up because you feel it is or because of my partner? I told my partner what I said and he did not bat an eye. I would not have have been upset. Coaches need to know that we all do not call the same things and that expectation is silly.

I think sometimes we worry too much about what others think of us honestly and especially coaches.

Peace

icallfouls Tue Dec 25, 2012 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 868634)
Is the bus backed up because you feel it is or because of my partner? I told my partner what I said and he did not bat an eye. I would not have have been upset. Coaches need to know that we all do not call the same things and that expectation is silly.

I think sometimes we worry too much about what others think of us honestly and especially coaches.

Peace

If that is your perspective, why did you ask? Your question implies otherwise


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