Contact above the shoulders

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yeah...and? Still not worthy of 7 or 8 pages of discussion IMHO.

Stationary means what it always means. If state associations interpret it differently, there's not much you can do but follow their instruction.

Tony...how have you called the play where the "pivoting" player with the ball, when his elbows are not moving faster than the torso, makes contact with the defender above the shoulders?

Have you ever called just a PC foul in this situation as opposed to an automatic intentional foul? ...that is if you think a pivoting player's elbows are "moving"...then you must call an intentional foul as you earlier stated, correct?

[just another ref]

We are focusing so much on the movement part, let us not forget the above the shoulders part. It's an elbow to the head. It really doesn't happen that often.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's an elbow to the head. It really doesn't happen that often.

Agree, however, in the olden days we had a choice of a player control foul (usually), or an intentional foul (rarely). Now it appears, in some jurisdictions, that we have no choice.