Throw in play

[APG]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

On A's legal touching of the rolled throw-in ball (provided the touching occurs in A's backcourt).

Starts when there's player control in the backcourt when a player comes from a throw-in. All rules pertaining to a 10 second count, 3 second count, and backcourt violations are adjudicated the exact same way as before team control was added to the throw-in.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by APG

Starts when there's player control in the backcourt when a player comes from a throw-in. All rules pertaining to a 10 second count, 3 second count, and backcourt violations are adjudicated the exact same way as before team control was added to the throw-in.

Oh yeah. The HS rule still needs rewriting for that.

Does that mean, for NCAA-M, in that the old "B deflects A1's front court pass to A2 into A's backcourt" play, that the 10-second court shouldn't start until there's player control established again by A? That's how that rule reads, to me. Just curious.

[OKREF]

4-42-4 say the throw in count stops on the release of the throw in pass. 10 second count wont start until touched by A. Correct?

[APG]

Originally Posted by OKREF

4-42-4 say the throw in count stops on the release of the throw in pass. 10 second count wont start until touched by A. Correct?

Nope

Originally Posted by APG

Starts when there's player control in the backcourt when a player comes from a throw-in. All rules pertaining to a 10 second count, 3 second count, and backcourt violations are adjudicated the exact same way as before team control was added to the throw-in.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by APG

Nope

I wasn't asking about 10 second count. I am asking when does the five second throw in count stop. 4-42-4 says the count ends when the ball is released by the thrower and goes directly into the court. So if A1 rolls the ball into the court, not over he OOB line, the five second count ends, when it leaves the throwers hands.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I wasn't asking about 10 second count. I am asking when does the five second throw in count stop. 4-42-4 says the count ends when the ball is released by the thrower and goes directly into the court. So if A1 rolls the ball into the court, not over he OOB line, the five second count ends, when it leaves the throwers hands.

The question was answered already along with the cite of the rule. Are you asking if this changes if the ball is rolled, as opposed to released on a pass?
The answer is no. If the release is legal the count ends. If the release is not legal, the count ends anyway on the violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by OKREF

4-42-4 say the throw in count stops on the release of the throw in pass. 10 second count wont start until touched by A. Correct?

That's what I'm answering...a 10 second count (nor a 3 second count or any backcourt violation provisions) won't start until player control has been established.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by APG

That's what I'm answering...a 10 second count (nor a 3 second count or any backcourt violation provisions) won't start until player control has been established.

Got it. Thanks, I meant controlled when I typed touched. My bad.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Does that mean, for NCAA-M, in that the old "B deflects A1's front court pass to A2 into A's backcourt" play, that the 10-second court shouldn't start until there's player control established again by A? That's how that rule reads, to me. Just curious.

No, the 10 second count starts the moment the ball gains BC status (hits the floor). There is already team control by A inbounds and B's deflection doesn't change that. A is not permitted to be in continuous team control of a ball in the backcourt for more than 10 seconds.

The other plays discussed where player control is mentioned in the backcourt are different because the ball was coming from a throwin, not from a pass between inbounds players.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, the 10 second count starts the moment the ball gains BC status (hits the floor). There is already team control by A inbounds and B's deflection doesn't change that. A is not permitted to be in continuous team control of a ball in the backcourt for more than 10 seconds.

The other plays discussed where player control is mentioned in the backcourt are different because the ball was coming from a throwin, not from a pass between inbounds players.

Is that delineated somewhere in the NCAA books? Because the way the rule reads leads me to believe otherwise.

Originally Posted by NCAA Rule Book

Section 10. (Men) 10-Second Violation
The 10-second count shall begin when a player is in control of the ball in his back court. An inbounds player (and his team) shall not be in continuous control of a ball that is in his back court for 10 consecutive seconds.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Is that delineated somewhere in the NCAA books? Because the way the rule reads leads me to believe otherwise.

I believe that is in context of a throw in....that the 10 count doesn't start until there is player control. There doesn't have to be player control to have the count if the ball is already inbounds.